New Quiz. Marks on coins.

Razz, posted: "Struck through cloth

Edit: it is from being in a bag of 1000 coins that was under numerous other bags in a vault and the pressure from the weight of the coins imprinted on the coin's surface, post mint damage."

Nope. But you are thinking and posting a guess making you one of the valuable members on CT.

Look guys, I was criticized for posting very difficult quizzes with tiny, bad images as I tried to make myself appear to be the smartest guy on the forum when no one got the answer. So for spite, I posted a quiz and gave the answer - no thinking required and no fun.

Here is what I'm trying to do. Educate you about things you will see on coins if you look closely. In this quiz, these are the kind of marks that many experienced folks argue about while using a hand lens; yet when seen at 20X there is no disagreement.

So you have a choice. Do you want it spoon fed in the future or do you want to think it out? Vote in the new poll when it is posted.

Kentucky, posted: "These marks aren't very apparent, but they (blue) do seem to be parallel and in a straight line but don't seem to be repeating. The marks on the collar just appear to be from some kind of contact. Two questions, if I may...1) if you were grading this coin, would you notice the marks [Absolutely, you cannot miss them]and 2) would you body bag it?" [Absolutely not!].

Do they affect the eye appeal?

 

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Its hard to know if they affect the eye-appeal if we can't see the entire coin.

 

Keep this up and you're gonna hurt ol' Socrates' feelings.

 

CoinCorgi, posted: Keep this up and you're gonna hurt ol' Socrates' feelings."

So Antaeus, what do you think the marks are?

Kentucky, posted: "Its hard to know if they affect the eye-appeal if we can't see the entire coin."

Actually, this has an easy answer if you don't over think it. ANYTHING you see on a coin will affect its eye appeal in either a good or bad way.

 

I think the marks on the device are contact damage with some unkown object.

The stuff in the fields is from a rusty die.

And frankly I don't care what causes marks on coins...the coin is marked up or it isn't. I'll try to obtain the coin if I like it and want it.

 

Good guess - but this is what a struck through cloth coin actually looks like:

 

This is true, and one of the difficulties in using an "eye appeal" component to grading, as market grading does. Strike, luster, toning, contact marks.... they all affect eye appeal.

 

However, as you have previously advised, looking at a coin with the unaided eye vs looking with an 8X glass vs looking with a microscope gives different results. From the small portion of the coin you showed, I'm not sure what I would see with the naked eye.

 

BTW
Antaeus was the son of the gods Poseidon and Gaea, one of the Gigantes, in Greek mythology. He drew strength from his mother, earth, and was invincible while he was in contact with her; he challenged people who passed by his area to wrestling matches, in which he always won, and killed them in the end.

 

Except for that Hercules dude.

 

An old counting wheel mark across her chin that got smoothed out by circulation?

 

CoinCorgi, posted: "I think the marks on the device are contact damage with some unkown object. The stuff in the fields is from a rusty die.

A few of the marks on the coin are contact damage. They are not the as apparent as the marks in the blue and green circles (subject of quiz). Marks left by a rusty die would be RAISED. These are into the coin's surface.

"And frankly I don't care what causes marks on coins...the coin is marked up or it isn't. I'll try to obtain the coin if I like it and want it."

I don't think anyone here is interested in trying to turn you into a
knowledgeable numismatist. You appear to be very happy the way you are. That's a wonderful thing.

Kentucky, posted: BTW Antaeus was the son of the gods Poseidon and Gaea, one of the Gigantes, in Greek mythology. He drew strength from his mother, earth, and was invincible while he was in contact with her; he challenged people who passed by his area to wrestling matches, in which he always won, and killed them in the end.

I'm glad you left out one of his traits that was directed to another member.

Kentucky, posted: "However, as you have previously advised, looking at a coin with the unaided eye vs looking with an 8X glass vs looking with a microscope gives different results. [true] From the small portion of the coin you showed, I'm not sure what I would see with the naked eye." [These marks are visible on a coin. They are the things that collectors and dealers argue about. Once you learn what they look like in these quizzes you can laugh behind their back as I do].

 

This is a very hard one - you'll see why. The marks in the field are much easier. Here is a better view.

 

Struck through some debris left on the die face.

 

expat, posted: "Struck through some debris left on the die face."

Yes, exactly. Please tell us what are the things you see in the image that identified them.

These are in the red, orange, and green circles. There may be one or two contact marks mixed in.

 

The straighter ones look to be more solid so could be metal filings. The blurry, randomly shaped ones maybe clumps of dust in grease and the lines, fibres left behind from a wiping rag

 

AKA rust?

 

I’ll just go way out in left field and put myself in the late 19th century. In which case I would likely have a cigar tucked in my lips.... But I cannot make myself believe that tobacco could have left such a dramatic impression...... But I am more wanting to know something. When you are in that seat and you are evaluating my coin. What power magnification are you using?

 

And just about any other element in the vicinity of the die face at that time

 

Agreed. Rust would cause raised bits that would definitely leave an incused mark on the coin. Now if the die rusted and was then cleaned of the rust flakes, the die face would be pitted and the marks on the coin would be raised.