The most legendary error ever

That's your way of looking at it.. Your opinion. Good for you.. For us is incorrect.

Really unnecessary comment. Please stick to coins not how you feel about other members.

 

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It may seem that way.

However, please recognize that numismatics is its own branch of study. We use words in a specific way - and often that way differs from the way many other fields might use the same word.

It isn't intended to be elitist or exclusionary... its just numismatics. Our use of words may differ from how the same word is used in general English, or some other branch of study. Sometimes that leads to confusion, but within this field of study, those words have their specific meaning.

 

Oh ok

 

oh ok I understand

 

If I offended anyone I apologize. I have 40 plus years collecting experience, but am not an error collector per se.

 

I wasn't offended myself. I respect your experience.

I was just trying to explain why our opinions differed on this matter.

 

If the mint produced and shipped thousands of 55/55 DDO, to me it should be a variety, likewise for D/S, S/S S/S/S . If only 1 nail with an impression of a coin, it can be an error , or hundreds with fibers impressions could be errors.

I really think that quantities of mint output of the ' odd coin' should be a consideration for the terminology.

But people will call them what they like. It is the old 'penny vs. cent' argument.

Jim

 

A DDO is an “error” by the mint that is called a variety or a variety error if you will so that people will know it’s a specific kind of “error” by the mint. It’s linguistics more than semantics.

 

"Welcome" to CoinTalk

 

I am new here and do not know where to start.
I have 3 pennies with possible errors (1 Indian Head, and 2 Wheat) and I am trying to find out from all of your awesome opinions as to whether it is an error or a figment of my imagination, LOL.
And thanks in advance for any help.
1 of these is very unique in my opinion. I am not sure if it is an 1885 or 1895. The 8 looks like it was supposed to be a 9, but I don't know if it filled in or what. I compared the pictures to coin facts of 1885 and there is a difference in the 8.
Then a 1952 wheat penny with rim damage. Is this a mint error, or use damage somehow?
And the 3rd coin is a 1937 wheat penny with a gouge in the face of the coin. Is this mint damage or use damage?
Hopefully, the pictures will upload, and thanks again for any help.
Ed

 

First, welcome to CT! You need to start your own thread and post full clear pictures of your coins. Also closeups of any areas of interest. You will get more responses from the knowledgeable folks here.

 

The 1883 nickels and 1913 nickels are TYPES not varieties. They are two different designs, intended by the mint, and issued in the same years. Same for the 1917 Standing Liberty Quarter. They are called TYPES for a reason, and have separate spots in TYPE SETS for collectors.

Types, varieties, and errors are very different things ...

 

Thank you for your response, I do appreciate it.
I was trying to start my own forum with this question with pictures, and at the bottom of the page it states; "You have insufficient privileges to post here"
Do you know why it would say this and what would I need to do to have the privilege to post here?
Thanks again for any help,
Ed

 

Interesting question, but the answer would be a value judgment and so different for different people.

 

topic is "The most legendary error ever"

I'd have to say, hands down it's the 1943 bronze cent and anything else is lesser known/less "legendary". I think we all as collectors know about this. there's a lot of contenders though but I think that one is the first and most legendary, most faked, and most known by collectors.

off on a tangent, apologies in advance. Stop reading here if you want to stick to the topic alone.

A lot of coins can be considered errors, lets take the 1955 DDO as an example here, the doubling would qualify it for an error, however, it's long been established that it is a die variety, identifier of a specific die pair. like doubling on Morgan dollars really, die varieties, every coin struck with that die exhibits the same characteristics.

Machine doubling is more of a hub chatter issue during the strike, a bit of shift happens, and sometimes it doesn't, something the machine doubling is present, sometimes it's not, it's more of a quality control issue though, and for that reason, not as desirable as a true doubled die (hub doubling) where it's been built into the working die.

Yeah, I'm sure someone will pay something for anything on ebay and such though, it doesn't mean the extra claw alaska state quarter with the die chip is, or should be valuable, but it is collectible to someone I guess. Same goes for Homestead "snow on roof" or any of the other die deterioration, but heck people collect things, so I'm sure a buck or two can be made off just about anything really.

With the single squeeze hub making process started in 1997, A "doubled die", real deal and impressive, is going to be really hard to come by. Still happens if the hub shifts during the single impression, but is't not like the wilder DDs of pre 1996. now a days they are only slightly off, usual toward the center of the coin and a slight shift when the working hub was made.

But what do I know, I'm still a novice myself that likes to read and there's a lot of misinformation out there nowadays. As I understand it, "Doubled Die" is working hub doubling. when the master hub impresses the working dies, it used to be done more than once if it was weak, and they would mark them to align them, but mistakes happened where it was out of alignment and impressed a bit "off".

Single squeeze still has doubled dies, but they are minor, like the 2009 Formative Years Lincoln cent with the extra thumb, or 2002-D 25¢ OH WDDO-001 doubled ear..
99.9999% of the coins people think are error coins are not valuable. 99.9999% of the time the coin is either damaged after it left the mint (Post mint damage) or it had a manufacturer's defect.
Manufacturer's defect you say John??? Yes, they don't make them perfect every single time, and so it is just a bad looking coin, not an error. Manufacturing errors, like machine doubling, striations, split plate doubling..... I like planchet striations, split plate doubling, cuds, rim burrs, all technically "errors" but, valuable? Nope. Manufacturing defects = bad looking coin.

Anyways, I think if people are going to get into doubled dies, they should understand it, and that is done by reading everything about it. Knowing there are Class I to Class VIII doubled dies. and how they are created, and that,,,, it's actually doubling on the working die that is imparted to every coin struck with it.

 

Paddyman, thanks for the suggestions. Now, so that I have it clear in my head, considering the 2008 W reverse of 2007, ASE. Mint error? or Variety? I've read the definition of the NGC site but still a bit fuzzy.

 

I don't know about legendary, but the most interesting error I ever saw was a "tulip" of cents struck and stuck together until the accumulation (I would guess over 100 planchets fused together during the strikings) opened up like a flower. It was on the desk of the Superintendent of the Denver Mint when we visited her office at the start of an ANA Summer Seminar tour of the Denver Mint. There was a fascinating group of other errors mounted in a plexiglas frame that her assistant passed around for us to look at.

 

He said, she said, I said. They are all right maybe, perhaps, even though!

 

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