What is a counterfeit?

An unauthorized copy of an item intended to deceive or defraud for profit.

 

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I own a Henning contemporary counterfeit. They are well known. It’s a counterfeit and it’s not illegal to own one.

It’s not a replica. If you don’t believe me, google it.

 

So if google says it’s true it is. You own a replica, someone may have tried to pass it off as real at one point which would have made it counterfeit at that point, but you own a replica. It can vasalcate from one to the other. That is the whole point.

 

Oh boy, wait for it...

 

No it can’t. It was created to deceive. That makes it a counterfeit. You can think otherwise all you want but that doesn’t make you right.

it’s status as such doesn’t require me to try and spend it.

 

I would have to disagree. A replica would be marked as such and therefore no intent to defraud. However, if you offer that coin as payment your action renders the coin as a counterfeit. So it's not the coin, per se, but the intent and/or action of its use.

 

unauthorized COPY

 

CamaroDMD, posted: "I own a Henning contemporary counterfeit. They are well known. It’s a counterfeit and it’s not illegal to own one. It’s not a replica. If you don’t believe me, google it."

You may want to read what he wrote again!

TVO, posted: "So if google says it’s true it is. You own a replica [NO, he owns a counterfeit], someone may have tried to pass it off as real at one point which would have made it counterfeit at that point [No, it was always a counterfeit!], but you own a replica [NO, he owns a Henning counterfeit]. It can vasalcate from one to the other [No it cannot. It is always a counterfeit!]. That is the whole point [of this pointless post?]."

 

Actually, you don't have a clue! I want to read a large # of definitions for counterfeit.

 

He doesnt post here anymore that I know of, because certain members kept bashing him over his work.

 

I see that your new to CT. Maybe it would be worth your while to do some research on the "Racketeer Nickle". Read the whole story and the outcome of the trial, (there a nugget of wisdom in there). I own one. A counterfeit. Not the nickle, its a genuine US minted nickle, but in it's current state and the intent of its current state. I doubt that a Treasury Agent will show up at my door, confiscate it and arrest me for possessing it. However, if i go to my local grocery store and try and tender it as anything more then 5 cents, well I've earned a pair of chrome plated bracelets. (caveat, unless I've disclosed what it is and the receiver accepts it "as-is" with full knowledge).

 

If it is marked as a replica then it isn’t a replica. It’s different than the actual coin. Those are the coins I am discussing. Looks exactly the same or super close to it. Obviously if it’s a perfect replica then nobody knows.

 

You seem to have missed your own point. The original question was, a definition of "counterfeit". Your point here has to do with a "crime". The act of fraudulently passing the coin as something it is not, is the crime. The act, or lack thereof, does not preclude the coin as being a counterfeit as long as the original intent of producing the coin was to pass as something it is not. In order to determine that, you'd need to climb inside the head of the producer.

 

I would agree with that, as long as the coin is clearly marked "replica", "COPY", whatever term the producer chooses. In doing so, clearly is not trying to defraud anyone. If it is not clearly marked, it is a counterfeit.

 

or Stamp.

 

I know. I actually revised my definition later to be non-currency based.

 

The "rules of English and Logic" huh?

Not sure what kind of English the part I bolded is supposed to be, or what you actually intended to say. However, a coin which was made to appear to be something it isn't, with the intent to deceive, sitting on your desk is a COUNTERFEIT. If it sits there for all of eternity and never moves, it STILL will be a counterfeit. If you locked it in a safe, inside a vault, inside a volcano . . . it still would be a counterfeit.

I never said a fart or anything else was innocuous. So I'm not sure why you are literally arguing with yourself about that.

I'm certainly not perfect. However, as someone who writes in English every day for a living, I am not disposed to be lectured to about English by someone who writes about "Trying (sic) doing that" and "a cops (sic) burger."

 

Counter-fit.....something you throw when the fast food restaurant wont give you extra dipping sauce for those things they call chicken nuggets....I throw a counter-fit

 

So my fingers are fat and my phone is small. I’m so sorry I didn’t pass the syntax portion of the test.
As far as the piece. You said it was a piece intended to deceive. By whom to whom how do you know? That’s the whole point, YOU might intent to deceive people but not every owner would and those owners don’t own a counterfeit they own a replica.
And just because you write for a living doesn’t mean you understand the legal ramifications of what you are writing. This is evidenced by your misunderstanding of what makes something counterfeit.