What is a counterfeit?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Insider, Sep 10, 2020.

  1. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    If possible, I would like to revise my previous definition after giving it a little more thought. Previously, I had said: "My definition of a counterfeit (noun) is a fake coin or piece of currency designed to deceive an unknowing party into thinking it's genuine."

    I think I need to be a little more broad and say: My definition of a counterfeit (noun) is a fake (of anything) designed to deceive an unknowing party into thinking it's genuine.
     
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  3. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Well okay then. I did not mean to stray but I will finish with...have a wonderful day.
     
  4. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    From Oxford...as a noun...

    "a fraudulent imitation of something else; a forgery."

    e.g. Fraudulent Easter Bunny (hoping to get extra snackies)...

    [​IMG]
     
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  5. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    You can tell it's not the Easter Bunny because of the third ear.
     
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  6. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Could have been a similar situation as the fish on the simpsons...;)
     
  7. TVO

    TVO Active Member

    There is no such thing as a counterfeit anything, in and of itself. As you can see from the definition it is not a noun. As has been pointed out, the “crime” has two parts. Act and intent. So a thing can’t be a counterfeit according to my 5th grade English teacher. And it can’t be used as a noun with any legal specificity so again. Not a thing.
     
  8. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    He's/She's an idiot.
     
  9. TVO

    TVO Active Member

    Great analysis. I’ll make sure to look your posts up the next time I want insightful commentary on a subject.
     
  10. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Counterfeit can also be a verb based on context. That is why I specified. "To counterfeit" would be the act of counterfeiting. @Insider's posted definition would be a verb. #GammerPolice
     
  11. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Counterfeit can be 3 possible parts of speech: adjective, verb, noun
     
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  12. Goldsayshi463

    Goldsayshi463 the person who says "hi" all the time

    Counterfeit=Fake currency
     
  13. Goldsayshi463

    Goldsayshi463 the person who says "hi" all the time

    dere I said it IT FAKE CURRENCY. Also press click to expand
     
  14. Goldsayshi463

    Goldsayshi463 the person who says "hi" all the time

    you could have said (s)he’s but ok
     
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  15. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Damnit, I knew there was a right way to do it!
     
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  16. TVO

    TVO Active Member

    I didn’t bring up verb because that obviously takes action. The point is a thing siting on my desk is not counterfeit even if it was not made by Gucci or the US Mint. It takes some action to make it counterfeit.
     
  17. Virginian

    Virginian Well-Known Member

    This is wrong. Even Merriam-Webster says the word can be a verb, adjective, or noun (thing).

    It takes some action to pass gas, too. But after that action has been taken, it's just a fart - a noun.
     
  18. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I don’t understand what you are saying. If I have a Rolex bought off the street corner in NYC for $10 on my desk...I have a counterfeit sitting on my desk.
     
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  19. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .


    I wonder which fantasy coin he bought?

    Z
     
  20. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

    I think I may have posted these thoughts in the wrong thread, so I'll rectumfy that error.
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    At the risk of pïssing off some esteemed members of CT, and from the sheer amount of butthurt I am seeing surrounding the man and his work, I'm getting the feeling that SOMEONE or multiple SOMEONE'S bought one of Carr's fantasy coin creations without fully informing themselves of the history and attributes of said creation.

    If the esteemed member was deceived, it does not appear that the creator of the piece did the deceiving, and perhaps the purchaser was a bit too eager in the purchase. Blaming the creator of the piece is similar to blaming GM for the drunk who hit your car because he was driving a GM.

    It is incumbent upon all of us to know what we are purchasing and not get too excited about discovering a potential "hitherto unknown rarity" without doing some "due diligence."

    If any deceit was perpetrated, look to the secondary seller of said creation, not to the creator.

    Zoid out . . . .
     
  21. TVO

    TVO Active Member

    It can be used as a verb but a coin can’t be a verb anymore than a coin can be an adjective and as a noun it’s still it’s counterfeit unless something is done with it. Same goes for the fart. Trying doing that on a cops burger right before you serve it to them an see how innocuous it is. That’s the whole point of replicas as art. It can be a replica all by itself just not counterfeit. You don’t have to like it but thems the rules of English and Logic.
     
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