Original surfaces vs lightly dipped?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Morgandude11, Sep 2, 2020.

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Which would you prefer to own?

  1. Original surfaces

    15 vote(s)
    83.3%
  2. Dipped but Market Acceptable

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I disagree. There are degrees of dipping, from a 5-second immersion in a dilute solution to an hour-long soak in a concentrated solution. They would have drastically different results.
     
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  3. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Hmmm, I wonder...if she were to be skinny dipped, would she magically turn into the skinny eagle type which is the only type half I don't own?
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  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    This is what original never-been-dipped coins look like:

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  5. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    After reading each entry, I am still in a quandary as to the purpose of toning a coin. Are coins that have been toned, lose their value. I'm sure there are collectors that will buy toned coins for a specific purpose. I am also sure that dealers will buy a coin that has been toned. However, purists will look a toned coins as "damaged goods" or "detail" coins. I have a few coins that have a small amount of toning around the edge of a few of my Morgan dollars. I didn't think much of it when I first looked at them, but I became concerned. As many collectors do, I buy/acquire coins that I like and have very little toning on them. I think I will go over to my collection of "Toned" Morgan dollars, to see what the damage is on the coins. I will not sell them until the value of Morgan dollars reach "Market" prices. Please, please, let us know... Are toned coins worth more?
     
  6. Aunduril

    Aunduril Well-Known Member

    I personally would choose either as I like them both. The fact that one is dipped doesn't bother me.
     
  7. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’ve had plenty that weren’t dipped. Most crusty and gray like the above coins. I’ve also had plenty with beautifully retoned surfaces. I’m not a fan of blast white though
     
  8. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    A lot of collectors like toned Morgans. Provided of course that the toning is attractive.
    If you would like some opinions of your coins, post a pic and the cointalkers will let you know if the toning is worth a premium or not.
     
  9. Silvergmen

    Silvergmen SILVER & MORGAN Obsessed

    well the bottom line is toning is corrosion. You may get lucky and get some awesome cool toning that people will pay a premium... but generally speaking most toning does not sell at a premium and more often than not hurts the value. That is why coins should really be stored properly. It is also why so many coins are dipped, light toning is generally easy to remove without hurting the coins luster. But you need to know what you are doing.

    Rest easy, some very light toning will be fine on Morgan’s and if you go to sell them their are experts at auction houses and (Reputable) dealers that can help you. If a quick dip improves the value it can be done. As with anything of value get a lot of opinions and offers and make sure you are dealing with reputable people.
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am with those that said, they would rather own a coin with a light or even a crusty skin on them. Original is not blast white. It may look like it just left the mint, but there will be tell tale signs on most that say otherwise.

    To me blast white means it has been dipped.

    @Jim Dale it depends on the toning.
    Most original toning is easily defined by those that enjoy some originality to their collection. If you study how coins tone in different environments, then it us much easier to tell if a coin is NT (natural toning) and AT (artificial toning) NT garners either a premium or much closer to a market value than an AT coin.
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I am far from being the only one who has flat out stated that most coins have been dipped. Q. David Bowers, Ken Bressett, just to name a couple, and just about every big name there is in numismatics has said it. Bowers has gone so far as to say that about the only ones that haven't been dipped are some of the Morgans in the GSA sales.

    But you don't have to believe them either. Nor do you have take my word for it, write to Bowers and ask him yourself.

    edit - I should have thought to add this. The best evidence there is that most coins, (especially older coins), have been dipped - is the coins themselves. And I say that because ALL coins tone - that is simply an undeniable fact. It is very nature of metals. And unless you cut off air getting to the coin, toning cannot be stopped. At best it can only be slowed down, and then only because of modern storage methods. None of which even existed 50 years ago.

    So, the fact that most coins, the vast majority of them, do not show advanced toning pretty much proves that they've been dipped.
     
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  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I don’t have to write to Q. David Bowers. I could simply ask him, as I have met him numerous times. Many coins were stored so that exposure to air was minimized, not eliminated. My wife has some of the family antique silverware from the “old country” in the UK, from the early 1800s. They are not crusty, nor have they ever been polished in over 100 years, as her mother had them. They are slightly toned, but not particularly dark and deeply toned, as they were in a storage box. Same is true from many coins of that vintage—some were exposed to the elements, and others weren’t. I don’t deny that dipping took place, but not to the exaggerated degree to which you describe.
     
  13. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

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  14. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Definitely dipped and retoned 976C2AE6-5DBA-4677-8B25-8EC142F15A61.jpeg probably never dipped BDF14361-1604-4867-AB5E-D660A626437B.jpeg E9F4CCA9-2319-4A10-B393-0042247730BC.jpeg 8303D6D1-8617-41AD-A0E8-C5FAD630E592.jpeg Dipped and retoned 9DDD9E38-7DEA-483A-BA95-FA3E048D5711.jpeg F85D5E8A-3C23-41A2-8DC6-CCC294BE37BE.jpeg Completely original note the draped bust was darker in hand and was from an old estate not ever in a coin collection 765863FE-2445-412E-8C9B-7E6A59DBA68E.jpeg This goes to show the range of surfaces on coins and how well they can recover from an old dip
     
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