The most legendary error ever

What is the most legendary error ever a brockage, DDO (1955), other

 

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If other then say what it is plz I wanna know

 

DDO 1955 is a Variety..

Mint Error vs. Variety
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/1655/Variety-versus-Mint-Error/

So you need to ask 2 Questions.. Which is the most famous Mint Error and Which is the most famous Variety.

 

The SBA dollar?

 

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I would say the two almost all US coin collectors know would be the 1955 DD and the 1922 Plain, (though many do not know its really an error, and not a P issue). After that, I would say 43 copper and 44 steel cents.

Also rans would be 3 legged buffalos and a few overdates like the 42/1 dimes.

Not the most visually stunning ones, but the ones most well known.

 

The 1955 DDO, 1922 Plain, 3 Legged Buffalo and 42/1 are all Varieties..
The 43 Copper and 44 Steel are Errors.

 

Most legendary mint error?

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I would argue its semantics. To me, if the mint never meant to make it, its not a variety but an error. The mint did not intentionally make the 55 DDO, it was not planned but a mess up in production. The mint DID mean to make both the with cents and without cents nickel in 1883, those are two varieties, same as 1913 buffalo nickels, etc.

Most collectors I know of consider a double die to be an error, not a variety.

 

You are entitled to your own opinion. Even though I don't agree.. And it's Doubled Die.. Not double.
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Yeah, I couldn't remember which one error folks yelled at people about. Doubled was in my head, but too many people like to correct grammar on here so I was gun shy saying doubled thinking it was wrong.

Of course, we can disagree. So you are saying basically anything that happened to the die is a variety, no matter how egregious, is a variety? If someone stamped their initials in it, that is not an error, but errors can ONLY happen in the striking chamber? Just trying to clarify in my mind.

I understand things like early large cents, how the mint was tinkering and manually placing things on each die by hand, so we consider these varieties. However, a technician messing up a die so much they remove devices, or transfer from master to working die done so poorly as to make the coin almost unreadable, I don't see how THAT is a variety. The first was normal part of die preparation, while the later examples are poor workmanship clearly not how they were trained to do it nor what anyone at the mint wanted to happen, (kind of simple language definition of the word "error").

 

There is definitely a great difference
https://www.pcgs.com/news/mint-error-or-die-variety

Look at all known Mint Errors that are attributed. The labels state MINT ERROR.. All others such as Doubled Die, RPM and OMM etc. don't state it because they are Varieties.

 

I agree with you that there’s a difference between errors and varieties but articles like this lead to confusion.
https://varietyerrors.com/doubled-dies/20_lincoln_cents_you_should_know_about/

 

Isn’t a DDO a error??

 

I would argue that it is not semantics at all. The two words have specific and different meanings. When communicating with numismatists, the correct word should be used. Numismatics is a science, and should be approached similarly. You wouldn't call a tortoise a turtle. The two are different. You wouldn't call a toad a frog. The two are different. Similarly, varieties and errors are different.

Conflating the two words leads to the confusion evident in this thread. It is our job to educate those people you mention, and instruct them why they are wrong.

No. Read the two links that @paddyman98 posted above. They will explain the difference:

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/1655/Variety-versus-Mint-Error/
https://www.pcgs.com/news/mint-error-or-die-variety

 

I tend to agree with this line of thinking. An error is something that was intentionally made and/or would have been removed had it been caught. I think the 1955 DDO fits this definition.

A variety is more of a situation where there are variations in design due to reasons other than a mistake. Washington RDVs come to mind where they actually changed the design slightly during the year.

 

I used to be the controller of a tier two auto manufacturer. We ran modern metal stamping machines, ( kind of like the mint). In the plant, there were various kinds of defects that could occur, from screw machine maladjustment, braising oven temperature variations, die defects, metal malleability defects, etc. All of these defects were reported as the overall error rate, and each overall error rate had subsidiary error rates to pinpoint the major driver of the errors.

Point being, ALL MANUFACTURING uses error rates to measure levels of defective manufacturing. To me, any modern coin that is not exactly as planned is an error. This includes offstruck coins, wrong planchet, cuts, machine doubling, doubled dies, etc. If the mint has procedures to eliminate variation, then any variation is an error, because it was not as planned. Early US coins did not have such procedures, so they produced varieties on purpose. No QA manager would look at a 55 DDO and call it anything other than a manufacturing error.

99.9% of the world uses the term this way, so being self righteous about it kind of comes off as elitist and exclusionary.