GTG: 1921-D Morgan Dollar

Let's take this game a "little different" direction, Zoid style . . . .

Another "odd duck" from my collection is this beautiful 1921-D Morgan Dollar. What grade would you give THIS one . . . . . ?

Better yet, what would you DO with this one?

Onto the photos (I tried to make them as "in focus" and hi res as possible):

The Obverse

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The Reverse

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Same coin, both sides. If you know, don't say anything. If you don't, please ask . . . .

Let those who wonder, figure it out. Feel free to discuss away . . . . .

Zoid

 

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Strikes me her mouth looks strange....
Just a random comment, I never liked the 21's so I never look at them.

 

Her mouth and chin on the 1921-D were definitely off compared to earlier years, especially the chin. Seems more pronounced. Her lips are almost "Elvis lips."

That was the first year for Denver minting these as well. The mint mark is a "micro" mark in my opinion.

Z

 

Is the cheek scratch on the 2x2?

 

Yes sir, it is. I didn't even notice it until I uploaded the photos.

Z

 

As far as a grade, if the luster is there on the obverse like it shows on the reverse, I would think 63/64 range.

 

Wait guys looks at the dates @ZoidMeister date looks weird but normal is normal

 

Not much to no luster on the obverse. The photo is pretty accurate as is.

Z

 

As with so many coins, over the years I've found that the reverse often looks better than the obverse.
In this case I see the reverse as MS but the obverse I don't think could even make AU.
And in today's TPG "one grade only" standards the obverse is the controlling surface.
I see it as low AU overall.

 

I am fairly certain this particular Morgan Dollar was yet another "bolo tie" pull. The rim isn't showing any damage, indicating it wasn't held in very tight OR when it was removed, it was done so very carefully.

The obverse was exposed to day to day wear while the reverse was protected. At least, that is my memory of this coin. I think my Dad removed it from a bolo tie slide when I was a kid. It has been in a 2x2 flip since those days.

Z

 

So, the photo of the second '21 is posted why?

Not a 63/64 from my own POV.

 

Both pictures in the first post in this thread are from the same coin.

The others later down are examples from the interwebs of the profile differences with the 1921 Morgans, I do not own those coins.

Does that answer your question?

 

Yes. I have ~ 8 of the '21 dates, but have never bothered to examine them so closely as you have. Can't say if they differ much.

I'm wondering if the 2021 commemorative will be available after the new year, too, but that's another issue.

 

I guess AU55...Obv. looks slightly worn...Rev. looks MS...Maybe a end roll coin for years...or a display coin?

 

“That was the first year for Denver minting these as well.”

The only year.
I took the grandkids on a Denver mint tour a few years back.
They make great gifts and seems like you almost need one for a type set. I kinda of grew fond of them and really nice ones are not that easy

 

Hmm, end of roll coin . . . .

I hadn't considered that. I always thought it may have been out of a piece of jewelry or something . . . .

I know my Dad had a bolo at some point. I think the other dollar I posted in an ugly coin thread may have been the one removed from the adornment.

Maybe the one below . . . .

Z

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The wear on the obverse is not consistent with the wear (or lack there of) on the reverse. I believe this is a fake. Bu I am an error collector so what do I know. I would keep it for educational purposes.

 

Nice curve ball @ZoidMeister. I couldn't figure the obverse, but the reverse looked like a no question unc. Best not to give a coin the benefit of the doubt when something looks off!

 

I initially thought, harshly cleaned and/or polished. All the devices on the Obv look rounded. Rev threw me a curve, AU to MS. So my guess would have been a roll ender. Bolo tie makes more sense.

 

Belt buckle insert maybe? it would get a lot of surface wear while the back side would be protected. can kind of make out the darker ring around the obverse where the retainer would have held it in place I think, and the flatness of luster and wear on the obverse would have come from someone polishing it occasionally also to "shine it up".

Boy Z, you sure find some strange ones! I think you are right on with it being a part of a fashion accessory. I'm not sure about the Bolo tie, since in my opinion, only cartoon characters wear bolos. J/K

seriously I think the reverse would be more worn if it was on a bolo from the sliding.whatever it was the backside would need to be completely enclosed.

Oh, and I dunno, net AU details?