I found this one today

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Bryan Dillard, Aug 28, 2020.

  1. Bryan Dillard

    Bryan Dillard Active Member

    Found in pocket change, 20200827_232208.jpg 20200827_232245.jpg 20200827_232345.jpg 20200827_232316.jpg
     
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  3. Goldsayshi463

    Goldsayshi463 the person who says "hi" all the time

    Wow that looks like lamination error or just damage also it looks serious. o_O
     
  4. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    It looks like glue, IMO.
     
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  5. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Is there some doubling of the date too?
     
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    No. Not a Lamination.

    A Cud.
     
  7. Bryan Dillard

    Bryan Dillard Active Member

    I thought glue at first to but its a silver metal the silver color travels up the coin a litte
     
  8. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    Wouldn’t a cud of that size produce more of a weak area on the reverse? Doesn’t seem much detail Is missing opposite the “cud”.
     
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  9. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    I would choose a different colored background when taking photos.
     
  10. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    No. Not a cud, just damage. Someone added that to the coin. More coffee needed @paddyman98? LOL
     
  11. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Seems to be to shallow for a cud just an opinion. I tend to agree with MM paddyman but of course I'm not as well read as you two.
     
  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I'm thinking it's PMD and been added to the coin well after it left the mint. The entire area where the so called cud is is lighter than the rest of the coin. It should be higher and more rounded as well.
     
  13. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    I think it's meant to look like a cud, it's not a cud. doctored coin in my opinion and it's added metal. no idea what the silverish areas around the added metal or on the reverse are suppsoed to be. If it was a cud there would be much more weakness on the reverse opposite the cud.
    it also connects to the rim but if a true cud it should also interrupt the rim otherwise, a die really doesn't break like this appears.

    I'm not a professional but I'd call it post mint damage and suspect from what I'm seeing. Maybe done with a brass or bronze repair putty???? Not sure. possibly the silverish areas are where the putty was at some point before putting some work on it, also I don't like the lines on this supposed cud following a mechanical pattern clockwise.

    It' just looks really wrong for what I would expect to see if legit to me, again, not a professional, just my 2 cents.
     
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  14. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    I think the silverish color is attributable to an attempt to highlight the areas by using enhancement techniques, but I could be wrong.
     
  15. Bryan Dillard

    Bryan Dillard Active Member

    I've been studying this coin, and i believe someone tried to make a fake error by applying solder. I think thats why the coin has the silver tone, I don't know but it's the best I can come up with
     
  16. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Solder, the lighter area around the "cud" is where the flux melted and spread removing the oxide layer from the coin (That's what the flux is for to clean the metal and remove oxides so the solder bonds better) Since then the coin is probably retoning but still lighter than the rest of the coin where the oxide was not removed.
     
  18. Mike Davis

    Mike Davis Well-Known Member

    That's what I was thinking too.
     
  19. manny9655

    manny9655 Well-Known Member

    As a certified specialist in soldering electronics, I agree 100%.
     
  20. manny9655

    manny9655 Well-Known Member

    Correct. The color of the coin itself is off, too, as if it had been subjected to some serious heat. To solder something to a copper cent it would take a few minutes to get the copper hot enough to make the solder flow. Leaded solder melts at about 360 degrees F. Lead free solder melts at about 428 to 464 degrees F, depending on the type. You would have to get the cent hotter than that to get the solder to flow. You have to crank your iron well above the melting point in order to get the surfaces involved to accept the solder. It also depends on WHAT you're soldering.
     
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  21. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    Cuds are normally smooth and of uniform thickness - the manufactured one above seems to have been filed down (see the marks at the shoulder)
     
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