1880 O Morgan w/ a strange mark under the second 8

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  1. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    What do you make of this? I'm not seeing a corresponding VAM, but the raised mark under the second 8 seems possibly related to the 1880/1879 varieties.

    There's also doubling or tripling of the 8, down and to the right most visible inside the hollows of the 2nd 8.
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  3. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    The first 8 seems to have die clash with some pattern transference. As shown above.
     
  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    You need a better way of taking close-up images.
     
  5. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Waiting on a higher resolution endoscope to arrive.

    These are 15mp shots through a Carson 200x magnifying pocket scope. What seems to be the problem?
     
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  7. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    IMO, DD w/die chips.
     
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  8. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else see a clear "S" mint mark on the first 8?
     
  9. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    What I spy with my eye is a die chip.
     
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  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    As is the case with most close-up images taken through a magnifier, the magnifier gets in the way of the light source. Additionally, you can't expect to get decent images when you have to hold the magnifier in one hand and the camera in the other unless you're an octopus.

    These were taken with a stereomicroscope.
    1878 8TF
    cpm_1878_8TF_OBV_Date[1].jpg
    1878 8TF
    cpm_1878_8TF_A_Gouge[1].jpg
    1878 CC
    cpm_1878CC_Eye_Gouge[1].jpg
     
  11. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Beautiful pics.

    As I mentioned, I'm waiting on a 5mp endoscope. After spending more than a few days trying to find where my old 2mp one is packed away, I switched to using the Carson scope to examine coins while I wait for the slow boat from China.
     
  12. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    :cool: I wish I had me one o them.
     
  13. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    Got my new scope. And, after sifting through a pile of Morgans, I think I found the same coin. It's amazing how looking through different optics a coin looks completely different!

    Anyway, I'm not sure if this is much of an improvement (as the magnification is less) but it is more evenly lit and standardized in view:

    1880-o a2 01.jpg 1880-o a2 04.jpg 1880-o a2 05.jpg 1880-o a2 02.jpg 1880-o a2 03.jpg 1880-o a2 05 clashed denticles rev stAtes.jpg

    With the last picture, I noted some odd clash in the denticles above the A in stAtes. What do you make of that?
     
  14. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Take a look at the VAM 6 overdates. The mark on the denticles is nothing more than a mark on the denticles.
     
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  15. GeorgeM

    GeorgeM Well-Known Member

    VAM-6 looks like a solid match. However, I don't see any sign of the die gouge noted on the description:
    http://vamworld.com/wiki/1880-O_VAM-6

    1880-o a2 05.jpg 1880-o a2 06 no die break under UNited.jpg 1880-o a2 07 no die break under UNited.jpg 1880-o a2 08 something about libertY.jpg
     
  16. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    If you're referring to the gouge by the wreath not being there, check VAM 6C and 6D.
     
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