I have a couple of pre conservation Images I am going to upload but I don't think they are of good I have a couple of pre conservation Images I can upload but I don't think they are of good quality
John Burgess, posted: "PCGS doesn't clean coins, they conserve them or restore them, …" Oh yes they do. It appears that both you and PCGS don't know what you are writing about! CLEAN: 1. Free from dirt or filth. 2. Free from defect or blemish. Conservation is a form of cleaning. Therefore, when I or anyone else "conserves" a coin, in the strict sense of the word we are cleaning it.
@Bmagold - I totally get what you're saying. You're under the impression that because you paid them to conserve (aka clean) a coin, they should not penalize the coin (you) for their professional cleaning, which is understandable, and AFAIK, that's what they do with an otherwise straight coin that they conserve. But you're asking/expecting them to ignore any other issues the coin may posses (in this case an old, but obvious cleaning (a harsh cleaning IMO)), because you 'paid extra' for their cleaning. If that was realistic, wouldn't everyone with a cleaned coin send it in, pay for conservation, and expect to have a straight graded coin? That would be the end of the coin grading business, as well as all trust in that system.
You know I nev You know I never mind being wrong but I can't tolerate not knowing why. Cause man you stop learning you stop living. With these grading companies as much as it costs at the very least your money should buy you a reason why. I have been wrong plenty of times but so have they at times proven and documented the difference is I have to pay for my mistakes they have yet to.
So, that photo is pretty blurry...can't really see anything. But, what I do see is a lot of darkness. I assume that is either end stage toning or "gunk" of some kind...both of which can be damaging to a coin (for the time being, I'm going to refer to this mystery coating on the coin as "buildup"). When you pay PCGS (or any other service) to conserve this coin (safely/properly clean it)...often you do not know what the surfaces look like under the buildup. When that buildup is remove...hidden damage can be revealed. This is not the fault of the conservation company, the coin always had the damage. It was just hidden. But, because of the damage the coin cannot be straight graded.
yeah, that picture certainly isn't of good quality. you were accurate in your discription, it is a coin though, I can tell that much!
Bmagold, posted: "You know I never mind being wrong but I can't tolerate not knowing why. Cause man you stop learning you stop living. With these grading companies as much as it costs at the very least your money should buy you a reason why. I have been wrong plenty of times but so have they at times proven and documented the difference is I have to pay for my mistakes they have yet to." Reasons why are usually available at a different grading service. "They" have not made a mistake. Your coin is cleaned and corroded.
My understanding (unless they have changed it) with PCGS is the reason why is coded into the serial number of a details coin.
yes. Found it. The following codes summarize the various problems that preclude a numerical grade by PCGS: .82 Filed Rims Rim(s) and/or edge is filed .91 Questionable Color Any artificial re-toning – dipped copper. .92 Cleaning Harsh cleaning or polishing. .93 Planchet Flaw Generally large – prominent flaw(s). .94 Altered Surfaces Any applied substance (wax, putty, lacquer). .95 Scratch(s) Large – prominent scratch(s). .97 Environmental Damage Corrosion, excessive toning, verdigris. .98 Damage Any metal movement. excessive toning can also get you "detailed" apparently,
