I came across this coin that was minted by Henry VIII as it has his name encircling the bust portrait, However it certainly does not resemble Henry 8 for the other profiles I have seen, the Bust portrait is of his father Henry VII I believe...? Was this a common coin of the time or is this kind of a special tribute to his father that is not found very often....? Any identifying marks indicating Henry VII??
https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=365901 Its a coin of Henry VIII with a profile of his father, basically a posthumous issue. They're not terribly rare.
Thank you for that, so is then considered a Henry VIII coin or a Henry VII coin, What would say the NGC say on the label...??
It's Henry VIII, I gave you the link to what it is. The profile is Henry VII, but the coin was issued by Henry VIII. Just like Edward VI, Henry VIII Son, made coins after his dad died with his dads picture on them, which are very common.
Thanks, yes I realize they are posthumous issues, I guess what I am really asking is since this is considered a Henry VIII coin, (One Q answered) yet it does not have an image of Henry VIII on it, how or what do coin enthusiasts feel about that??? Is it considered a lesser coin demand wise, compared to a Henry VIII with his own portrait image depicted on them?? I know that is a personal preference type thing. For me this coin kinda checks two boxes with one coin, yet i'm sure is not how some see this coin, with some being disheartened if it does not have Henry VIII's image???? Case in point, I did not have a Henry VII, so for me it fills a missing Tudor nicely, however it is officially a Henry VIII coin, of which I already have one, so officially I am still missing a Henry VII. I realize this is sounds almost comical but then again many coin people are very official & detail minded so I just wanted to know where I stand with it??? (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/henry-the-viii-or-vii.365316/)
You’re just gonna need another Henry VII coin then in his own name Don’t let anyone tell you how to collect. Collect what you like. As previously mentioned there are many posthumous coins in the name of the king’s father. Generally these are assigned to the reign in which they were struck, not on the portrait or name that features on the coin. As one example, English coins of Richard the Lionheart are in the name of his father Henry II. If you want a coin of Richard, it will say ‘Henry’ on it but the portrait is of Richard. Alternatively you can get a coin of Richard from Aquitaine or Poitiou, which have his name on them but these do not have a portrait. Here is my Henry VII “tentative portrait” groat And here is my debased testoon of Henry VIII, with the recognizable portrait of the old king
Demand wise, no, most people want a coin of Henry VIII in his fat years because of thats the image we have of him from school and such. They are also rarer than his younger portrait and they wear down easily because he lowers the silver content in the coins by then. But if you're happy with it, that's all that matters. And I am sure there is a few collectors that have your mentality in this case.
I'm Henry the 8th I am, Henry the 8th I am, I am, I got married to the widow next door, She's been married 7 times before, And every one was a Henry (Henry), She wouldn't have a Willy or a Sam (no Sam) I'm her 8th old man named Henry, Henry the 8th I am H-E-N-R-Y Henry (Henry) Henry (Henry) Henry the 8th I am, I am, Henry the 8th I am. ...apologies to Harry Champion, Hermans Hermits, etal.
Yes you can go from William I to Edward VI and not be certain which king it is just by the portrait. (You probably have to go back to the Romans before you can do that, and even they mixed and matched). I think most kings used their predecessor’s portraits to start with, not that these were portraits in any true sense of the word. They even used their predecessor’s legends, sometimes still including their names. Apart from Henry III, they didn’t use regnal numbers until Henry VII. If you want an Edward V you can get one at great expense, and yet still not be sure it’s definitely Edward V at all. It’s only because Henry VII’s later portrait (and therefore Henry VIII’s earlier portrait) is the first to actually look like an identifiable person that you have the problem you have (and these start being called posthumous). Otherwise there would be no doubt it was Henry VIII with a portrait of a ‘king’ on it.
Posthumous issues don't do much for me personally, but it's your collection and if you're into it it's a fine coin.
