Private pattern Euros.

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Aidan Work, Apr 16, 2005.

  1. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    I have seen some of these on Ebay.They have been struck to show what Euro coins could look like if the Euro currency was introduced to the following countries;Denmark,Great Britain,Sweden,Cyprus,Malta,Czech Republic,Poland,
    Slovenia,Lithuania,& Turkey.Has anyone else seen these pieces?

    Aidan.
     
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  3. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Wrong. They have been struck to make money. :D

    First, the companies that made and make such pieces know very well that some of these countries do not plan to issue euro coins, and others are not even EU members. But sure, why not produce such things as long as there are enough collectors who will buy anything that vaguely resembles a euro coin ...

    And then, contrary to what many of those medals suggest, euro coins do not have symbols of a single member state on the common side. Of course some look nice - but that applies to many other privately issued medals too.

    Here is a web site that has many pictures of such pieces:
    http://ret001qm.eresmas.net/eu-ingle.htm

    Christian
     
  4. mamooney

    mamooney Senior Member

    See Message Below
     
  5. mamooney

    mamooney Senior Member

    Israel Issues Euro Coins

    In 1996, Israel issued a "50 Euro Coin" with Golda Meir on the Obverse. It is a Crown sized silver issue. In 1997, Israel issued a "5 Euro Coin" with Yitzhak Rabin on the Obverse. Both can be found for around $10. These are not trade coins. I do not believe these can be found on the above website noted by chrisild.

    These specific coins may be found on William M. Rosenblum's website at http://rosenblumcoins.com/israel/trade I couldn't find them anywhere else.
     
  6. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    In 1997,the Royal Dutch Mint struck a 5 Euro coin depicting Jan van Oldenbarneveldt & some ships.I have got one of these cupro-nickel coins.

    Aidan.
     
  7. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Interesting; did not know about those "euro coins" from Israel. But I would not call them coins. Like that Dutch piece which never had any legal tender value, they are rather medals.

    Christian
     
  8. ericl

    ericl Senior Member

    Okay, here's how it works. Prior to 2002, there were genuine patterns issued by real governments. There were alos "practice euros" that were issued by muicipal governments and these were snapped up by collectors almost immediately.

    There are fifteen countries that use the euro and are governed by the European central bank, plus a few others that have issued "illegal euros" such as Lictenstein and Bosnia.

    Several private mints have produced euro "patterns" that aren't patterns at all, just a scam. I have a couple of them.

    The new countries that are going to issue euros are: Andorra 2006, Estonia, Cyprus, Lithuania and Slovenia 2007. Latvia, Poland and some others are going to issue euros in 2008
     
  9. mamooney

    mamooney Senior Member

    Eric,

    What would you consider the category of the Israel Euros?

    Thanks,

    Mike
     
  10. ericl

    ericl Senior Member

    Under UN Security council Resolution 250 [1969] Everything Israel does, good, bad or indifferenet, is illegal. Thus the euros are in the illegal category.
     
  11. mamooney

    mamooney Senior Member

    Palestinian Euro?

    Check your facts my friend.

    Per Resolution 250, Israel is not allowed to hold military parades in Jerusalem. What does this have to do with Israel's minting and issuing authority? And how would you view a Euro issued by the Palestinian authority?

    Who should be issuing currency for the State of Israel?

    Shalom.

    Mike
     
  12. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    I bought some Belgian euro coins (5 e as I recall) in Belgium in 1997. Not sure where the fall into the mix (they were govt issue).
     
  13. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Andorra is a special case as the country is not and will not be an EU member state. So it cannot actually join the currency union but needs to come to a monetary agreement. Negotiations about that started in late October 2004. As you wrote, we may have Andorran euros in 2006. Maybe 2007, we'll see.

    Estonia, Lithuania and Slovenia currently participate in the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM-II) and may well start using the euro cash in 2007. The Slovenian government even considered the option to switch to the euro first - say, early 2007 - and issue coins with a Slovenian design later, like mid-2007.

    Countries that have not joined ERM-II yet (Cyprus, Latvia and others) will probably follow at a later stage. In the case of some countries that could even take a few more years, ie. "201x" :)

    Christian
     
  14. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Good question :) Some earlier Belgian ECU pieces are usually considered coins, since they were government issued and even legal tender in the country. That could apply to pre-1999 "euro" pieces too.

    Christian
     
  15. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Andorra is a member of the Eurozone by default,as prior to 2002,
    the currencies in use were the French Franc & the Spanish Peseta.
    Andorra issues its own pieces denominated in Diners & Centims for collectors.These tended to be very expensive until in 1999,
    there was the issue of Andorra's first F.A.O. commemorative coin,
    which also commemorates the Millennium.It is a 1 Centim,which is struck in aluminium (or aluminum to Americans).The Euro is the
    legal currency of both Kosovo & Montenegro,but it also circulates in Bosnia-Hercegovina as well.

    Aidan.
     
  16. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yes, Andorra uses the euro now just as it used the franc and peseta before. But it is not a member of the currency union and - at this time - has no monetary agreement with the European Union (nor with France or Spain). When Andorra joined the interest taxation agreement with the EU, that pretty much paved the path for such a monetary agreement. Currently the negotiations seem to be delayed; whether that has anything to do with the elections in Andorra on Sunday, I don't know.

    I have some of those diners and centims too. But when I was in Andorra for the first time (that was when they still used ESP and FRF), it was a little disappointing for me to find out that nobody used those pieces :)

    Christian
     
  17. giladzuc

    giladzuc Senior Member

    3 Euro , Year 2004 , Turkey

    There are 3 types: The reverse is the same at all 3 (big 3 , euro zone map + turkey). The obverses are picture of a mosque , Mustafa Kemal Ataturk face (I have both coins) and "Donor" meat food.
     
  18. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

  19. ericl

    ericl Senior Member

    Mike, ALL parades of any kind may be considered military to some extent. UNSC res. 250 was a declaration that everything Israel does, WITHOUT exception, is condemnitory and thus all subsequent UN resolutions on the subject are antisemitic and racist.
     
  20. mamooney

    mamooney Senior Member

    Eric-

    Could you please post a direct link to this resolution. I can't seem to find your evidence.


    Gilad-

    What do you know about the Israeli Euro issues?

    Thanks
     
  21. ericl

    ericl Senior Member

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