A Matching Pair

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by David Atherton, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A few of weeks ago I purchased a rare dupondius struck for Titus as Caesar with a left facing portrait. https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-eastern-titus-caesar.363435/

    Recently, I was able to acquired the slightly more common corresponding right facing portrait of the same type. Now I have a matching pair!

    V761.jpg Titus as Caesar [Vespasian]
    Æ Dupondius, 10.82g
    Rome mint, 74 AD
    Obv: T•CAESAR•IMP•PONT; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: TR•POT•COS III•CENSOR•; Winged caduceus between crossed cornuacopiae
    RIC 761 (C). BMC 891. BNC 907. RPC 1991 (2 spec.).
    Ex LNE, eBay, 5 August 2020. Formerly in NGC holder 5769771-013, grade 'F'.

    A truly remarkable Titus Caesar dupondius struck in Rome under Vespasian, but lacking the traditional radiate portrait on the obverse and the de rigueur S C on the reverse. The reverse with crossed cornucopiae echoes similar types from the East. Traditionally, the issue this rather strange coin is from has been attributed to various different mints over the years. However, hoard and findspot data indicates these coins circulated in the Western empire and not in the East. Ted Buttrey in the RIC II.1 A&C wrote - 'RIC 756-767 are irregular Dupondii, which should be taken together with Asses, semisses and quadrantes (RIC 1564-1581), forming together a single extraordinary issue in four denominations, distinct in typology and metal, as well as overall character from the regular coinage of the year. Although Eastern in aspect and reverse type, the circulation area of the dupondii is almost exclusively Gaul, Germany, Italy – i.e. the West, with scarcely any penetration of the East. Finds of the smaller denominations are rarely attested anywhere, East or West. The Eastern finds appear to be simply the débris of Mediterranean circulation.'

    Why was an Eastern flavoured coinage struck for circulation in the West? Perhaps it may be nothing more than Vespasian paying homage to that part of the world that elevated him. This example is the slightly more common right facing portrait, although only 2 specimens are cited from the 'core collections' in RPC.

    This right facing example seems to be engraved in a more pleasing style than the left facing one I shared several weeks ago. Perhaps a more talented engraver produced the right facing dies for this issue?

    The coin came entombed. It is so no longer.


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    The NGC label correctly assigns the coin to Rome but still notes the erroneous traditional 'for circulation in Syria' attribution.


    Feel free to post your matching pairs!
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2020
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  3. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Augustus RIC 427 vs RIC 428
    Cohen 445 vs 446
    25 mm vs 25 mm
    8.05g vs 8.35g
    P LVRIVS AGRIPPA

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  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nice dupondius, @David Atherton , with a lot of eye-appeal. Here's a matching pair:

    Claudius II IVNO REGINA right facing bust.jpg
    Claudius II IVNO REGINA left facing head.jpg
     
  5. doucet

    doucet Well-Known Member

    That is a very nice Vespasian.

    I had three of these types. The first was Domitian, which I removed from a slab, then the other two Titus and Vespasian. Cornucopiae Domitian Commange.JPG
    Cornucopiae  Titus Syria.JPG
    cornucopiae ves syr.JPG




    Here is a bust R/L pair for Gallienus, Hermes rev.

    Gallienus Hermes  right.JPG Gallienus Hermes left.JPG
     
  6. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    This is a slightly different interpretation of matching, but different denominations of the same type (I'm missing the sestertius)...
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  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Excellent pair of coins David. Here is my match. RIC D596 and D597

    Domitian ric 596 new.jpg

    Domitian ric 597 Heritage.jpg
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    JOVIAN (Right and Left!):

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    RI Jovian AE3 Sirmium mint VOT V RIC 118

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    RI Jovian 363-364 AE 20mm Folles LEFT Sinister VOT V
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congrats, @David Atherton ... great looking AE ... and it is really fun finding these matches!

    OCTAVIAN (Right and Left)

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    RI Octavian as Augustus 25-23 BCE AR Quinarius RIGHT facing bust Emerita Augusta Sear 1642


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    Octavian as Augustus LEFT-Sinister 27 BCE –14 CE Quinarius Emerita 25-23 AR 13.5mm 1.79g - P CARISI LEG Victory trophy C 387. RIC 1b SCARCE
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Roman Republic
    QUADRIGATUS REVERSE
    (Right and Left)

    LOL, I suppose the Janus is Right and Left, too...


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    RR Anon AR Heavy Denarius -Quadrigatus - Didrachm 225-215 BCE Incuse Roma Janus Jupiter Cr 28-3 S 31

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    RR Anon AR Heavy Quinarius Half-Quadrigatus Drachm 216-214 BCE Janus ROMA Jupiter Victory Quadriga LEFT Cr 29-4 S 35
     
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  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Hey! That's cheating!

    Oh. You meant the reverse.

    Here's a couple Constantine I matching pairs:
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    London mint, A.D. 310-312
    RIC 153
    Obv: CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
    Rev: COMITI AVGG NN - Sol, with whip and globe
    PLN in exergue; star in right field
    24 x 22 mm, 4.4 g.

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    London mint, A.D. 310-312
    RIC 177
    Obv: CONSTANTINVS P A-VG
    Rev: COMITI AVGG NN - Sol, with whip and globe
    PLN in exergue; star in right field
    24 mm, 4.1 g.
    (The obverse of this coin used to be my CT avatar.)

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    Thessalonica mint, A.D. 319
    RIC 59
    Obv: CONSTAN-TINVS AVG
    Rev: VICTORIA AVGG NN - Victory advancing left with wreath and palm branch
    •TS•Γ• in exergue
    19 mm, 2.5 g.

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    Thessalonica mint, A.D. 319
    RIC 60
    Obv: CONSTAN-TINVS AVG
    Rev: VICTORI-A AVGG NN - Victory advancing left with wreath and palm branch
    TS•Γ• in exergue
    18 mm, 3.0 g.
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My left facing Septimius Severus ('Emesa') brought two of its right facing brothers. The first two coins have the broken obverse legend E-V which occurs in this period more frequently than other options to the point that it seems obvious that there was a reason for that split other than just where they ran out of room.
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    The third coin is again a right facer and seems to have the smallest amount of E-V break unless you want to call it continuous. The lack of the normal sized break resulted in extra space at the end of the legend which was filled by spreading the letters COS II a bit more than usual. rg1300bb0816.jpg

    None of the FORTVNA REDVCI spelled out with Pietas sacrificing coins are common but the left facing one is very rare.
     
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