1861 Indian Struck Over 1841 Gold Ducat Help

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by 1913V5, Dec 6, 2008.

  1. 1913V5

    1913V5 New Member

    Hello,

    Could anyone help out with any info on this 1841 ducat strike over. I got this coin from Ed Hipps at one of the last coin shows. He remembers reading something about this coin or one like it in a coinworld mag some 20+ years ago. I have been looking for any other info on it but came up with nothing. So I figured I would come here and ask the pros. Thanks in advance for your time and help.

    Regards,
    Dan
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Howdy Dan - Welcome to the Forum !!

    A ducat overstrike huh ? Well I know a bit about ducats, can you be more specific with details ? Best would be a pic if you can manage it.
     
  4. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    Sounds interesting I would love to see some pics
     
  5. 1913V5

    1913V5 New Member

    Well here is the best pic my canon will shoot, is there a trick to taking pics close up?
     

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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Could you please a pic of the other side ?

    I am even more confused, for that is not an Indian cent - nor is it a Netherlands ducat.

    Here is a pic of your coin, and a pics of an 1849 Netherlands ducat, '41 looks just like it.
     

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  7. DCH

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  8. 1913V5

    1913V5 New Member

    Wow thats it you found it, its over a lincoln. Thanks guys, what do you think value is on something like this?
     
  9. DCH

    DCH Member

    http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1100&Lot_No=28500#
    This one sold for $345 in Sept 08.

    Auction description.....1864 Lincoln Token--Overstruck on an 1841 Netherlands Ducat--AU50 Uncertified. The medal is unlisted in Sullivan or Fuld. The obverse is dated 1864 and displays a bust right of President Lincoln. The legend includes UNION & LIBERTY along with stars. The reverse features a wreath and a prominent 3 at the center. The overtype is double struck, yet the undertype, a KM-70.2 Netherlands ducat with a fleur de lis privy mark, can be readily identified. The host coin is holed at 6 o'clock.
     
  10. 1913V5

    1913V5 New Member

    Well I overpaid for it, I just liked it though. I usually only buy what I know but this one just spoke to me. Thanks all for the ID help.

    Dan
     
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