Wrong Grade On Barber Half

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  1. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    My opinion - AU55
     
  4. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    I would love to buy that coin for AU55 price, although a AU58 recently sold or $12,650.00 which is ridiculous price unless the new owner think it was way undergraded
     
  5. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    AU-MS Beautiful.
     
  6. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    It's a beatiful coin but isn't that luster breaks on her cheek , thus wear . I didn't know if I was right or wrong .
    rzage
     
  7. Isaiah

    Isaiah New Member

    AU-55 or somewhere around there, but definitely not an MS 64. Listen to your intuition, not corporation plastic.
     
  8. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Doug you think they bumped it just because Barber 1/2 s are so tough , and it's otherwise a beautiful coin , or both .
    rzage:)
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's because of the rarity of the coin Rusty.
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll go the other way and say at least 63 if not 64.
    The coin is not flat to the lens in the image.
    The same grey look is also seen on the right side of the obverse.
    It's a good image but not a great image in my opinion.
    A little shift in lighting and all the grey would go away but the focus would still be off on the right side of the coin. It's an image and the auction house is not famous for quality in this area. Just my opinion.
     
  11. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Even if it was correctly graded , it would still price like a higher graded coin though , or not ?
    Rusty:)
     
  12. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I say 62/63

    I was going to tell you my opinion of the photo was an AU58. The up-close photo makes the cheek look like it has wear & rub beyond the threshold of calling it UNC. However, looking at the slab photo, it looks like the cheek is NOT thumbed or circulated. It looks more like contact marks (not circulation). TPGs are usually VERY critical on any marks on Barber cheeks. I say 62/63.

    62 is because of the contact marks on the cheek. It could go 63 because of superior eye appeal (and my personal favorite album toning).

    64 is unfair to so many other Barbers graded by NGC & PCGS.

    GDJMSP- Can you explain a little about bumping it up because of the rarity of the coin?
     
  13. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I agree, what appears as wear is probably a lighting issue. I won't go so far as to say it should be in an MS64 holder; I would like to see that baby in an MS63 holder.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sure, let me show what they (PCGS) thinks AU58 looks like for better date Barber halves.
    That should make it easy to understand how this coin got a 64.

    Each pic can be examined with blowups if you click on the link under each.

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    Now looking at those pics what do you think ? My understanding of AU58 is that the coin can only have the slightest wear or rub on the highest points. Do any of those coins seem to meet that criteria ?
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Now here are some more common date Barber halves, again graded by PCGS as MS64. See any difference beyween them and the original coin in this thread?

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  16. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Wow they really bump up the rare dates , I thought a little but I guess any EF-40 if it's rare enough can get an AU , Is this just for Barbers ? I imagine not .
    rzage
     
  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I can't say I agree with the 64 grade, but AU 55 seems a bit harsh, even for scrooge. ;)

    DISCLAIMER: Making grade guesses, particularly on AU/MS coins, is very difficult at best from photographs.
     
  18. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    p.s. I would grade it 62 or 63 from the photos -- no way PCGS grade a coin with that much unbroken luster in the fields AU. No way.
     
  19. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I was thinking AU-63 , A little rub from counting at the bank .
    rzage
     
  20. Isaiah

    Isaiah New Member



    OK I really want this junk, garbage, scum, crap stopped. AU goes up to 59, I really think these "conceptual grades"
    need to crawl in to a ditch and die an oh-so-slow painful death. please stop using them everyone.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    C'mon Mike, I just posted one where they did. Same date, same mint too.
     
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