22 no D-Strong Reverse needs insight

Enough. I'm out.

 

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But I still wouldn't buy this coin unless it was certified and slabbed by one of the top 3 TPG's.

 

...this jives with that on the NGC guide...the date looks the same all 3 places...Spark

 

Hear me out.. Do you think there's a reason the pic was taken on a brown table?
Maby to try and take away the strange color or luster of this pennie?

 

The date looks fine based on other 1922 cents. Look at this one that's certified.
https://www.ebay.com/i/203042284500...JwYePE4Tx8TCZmyslk-Uj_soJAmGFQfUaApYYEALw_wcB

 

I just looked at PCGS COINFACTS, and to me, the date looks good. One of the authentications points is a strongly struck 'TRUST', which yours has.

Something in the coin description: clashed dies caused overly aggressive filing, resulting in the mint mark being removed.

How in the world can an incuse mint mark on a die be removed?

If I understand the die making process, doesn't the Mother Mint, Philadelphia, stamp the mint marks? And if that is so, is there any chance that a Denver Mint die slipped through the process?

Just wondering.

 

As I understand it, NO cents were minted in Philadelphia in 1922, only Denver. That is why the 1922 No D is so sought for...And why the subsequent weak Ds and strong and weak reverses are also so important.

No Denver die Anything slipped through Philadelphia.

...imo...Spark

 

You are correct, only Denver minted the Cent.

What I am trying to say is, back in 1922, I am pretty sure Philadelphia punched the Working Die Mint Marks for the Branch Mint's Working Dies, and a Working Die might have been shipped to Denver, without a Mint Mark.

I wasn't back there then, so my thought is strictly speculation.

 

@KarlB ...I concede the possibility of your speculation...stranger things have happened, for sure.

Maybe a fellow compatriot member knows something and will chime in ...Spark

 

I think the coin looks genuine, it is a strong rev,and Yes I could agree on a grade of XF.

 

I’d say more high vf. And I think the date ok. But the surfaces look altered. Cleaned and recolored I’d say

 

May well have been cracked out of a details holder already

 

Looks like there is a faint d. Look closely. I don't know if it qualifies as a no d, or a faint d, but it is visible enough for me to know it's there.

 

The die was made with a mint mark. The trouble with this die was that it was pushed beyond its limits, and the mint mark was filled in or even polished off of it. There are intermediate die states of this which show a weak or “broken D.” Such coins are not 1922 no D cents, but some dealers and even the TPGs have tried to push they off as such. I remember in the early days of slabbing seeing a “1922 Plain” cent with a weak D showing in a PCGS slab.

Why did the Denver Mint issue an inferior product like this? Dies were in short supply because the Philadelphia Mint was devoting a lot of its resources to the production of millions of 1922 Peace Dollars.

 

I would stay clear of it.

 

Here is a screen shot from PCGS COINFACTS.

 

This theory has been discarded because there are ZERO "No D" cents known from a brand new die without a mint mark, only coins from a well-used and overpolished obverse die.

 

Humans make mistakes.

Just because there are no 'known-- key word) doesn't mean that it could not happen.

None of us were back in Philly or Denver when the dies were shipped and received.

One of the things I have learned is, just because there is no record of something, didn't mean it did not happen.

I am not saying yes or no, just throwing a different idea on the table...

 

If there had been any 1922 cents struck at the Philadelphia Mint, they would have had had sharp devices, not mushy letters.

Here are photos of the finest piece on the "Coin Facts" site. This is an MS-64, Red. The piece is very weakly struck which indicates the late die state. This is as good as these coins get.

 

I am not saying it was struck at the Philly Mint.

I am saying the Mint Mark might not have been punched into the Working Die at the Philly Mint.

It's all speculation.

So far as 'mushy letters'-- why is TRUST so clear and sharp?

The photo of the date I posted on an earlier post is of the same coin you are posting.