This is for everyone who's never seen 1. The proverbial Bodybag you've heard so much about. Getting this was a big letdown. I've had this coin for years and didn't think it was cleaned. I've shown it to dealers at shows and no one ever suggested that it had been cleaned. Most offered to buy it which made me think it was problem free. NGC did offer to have NCS slab it as genuine with a details grade. I think it grades AU. I don't think the coin is rare enough to warrant spending anymore money on it so it will remain in it's little bag for the meantime. Services are at 6.................John
"Improperly" cleaned? I guess that since I only have one slabbed coin, I gloss over messages about this. So therefore, a coin can be "properly" cleaned? Do they put that on the slab?
I wouldn't leave it in there too long...those flips are PVC flips and can damage the coin after time. Speedy
Coin's can be properly cleaned. It's just a matter of cleaning the coin without damaging it. You shouldn't be able to tell the coin has been cleaned afterward. A great example of this is dipping a coin to remove unsightly toning. Those coins have technically been cleaned but there should be no evidence of it if it is done correctly. The term "improperly cleaned" implies the coin has been damaged in some way.
It is beautiful and genuine It is a beautiful coin and a genuine coin. From everything you say, everyone likes the coin. It just didn't slab. edited Very best regards, collect89
Don't feel bad. I sent a St. Gaudens in to PCGS and got back the same thing. I'm still confused by the "cleaned" assessment as I just don't see it.
You still have a beautiful coin to be proud of. The sad part is they "restore" coins and them place them in a slab. Nobody knows if it would be considered improperly cleaned unless cracked open and resubmitted. There is a better method to resstore a silver coin than dipping, using a conductor plate. I'm sure there are people here that know what I'm talking about.
Gold coins are among the hardest to tell if they have been improperly (I prefer harshly but whatever) cleaned. I have seen many people, knowledgeable people, fooled by harshly cleaned gold. It's one of those things that just requires experience with it. Cleaned gold has a certain look, and once you become familiar with it you recognize it right off.
Being someone with no knowledge of gold...I would be interested in some information about this. What do you look for? Can you provide some images as examples? I have wanted to collect gold down the road when I can afford to, but I'd like to make as few mistakes as possible.
Electrolytic cleaning can still damage a coin if left in too long , toning is part of the coins surface , remove enough of it and all the luster is removed . JMO rzage:kewl:
Isn't that the same reason why over dipping damages coins? You leave it in too long...and a little bit too much gets removed resulting in a dull appearance.
I thought an improperly cleaned coin changes the flow lines on the coins surface , wouldn't this be seen under a 16X loupe . rzage