Is this pattern Error on 1918-D Standing Liberty Quarter?

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  1. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Back to the subject at hand:

    That is a very interesting catch coin hunk.

    Do you remember who's coin it is?
     
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I agree, not the result of a 'fall'.

    And, I agree, very interesting.

    I'd love to examine it, and have to check mine.
     
  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Well interesting no matter what.
     
  5. coinhunk

    coinhunk New Member

    Hi Treashunt!

    The previous thread is lengthy so I guess it will be better to continue here. ;)

    This is my coin. Actually it is the first and only quarter coin that I have. I have been intently looking at it for some time, just admiring the design. Even if you don't zoom in and just look at the obverse, you can actually see that the bead design on the rim is not perfect because of this small "arc".

    Close inspection thru a magnifying glass will show the "error".

    I can take more pictures of the area if you like to. At certain angles probably.

    Seldom do I see "errors" on a coin that's why I really am interested in knowing more about it.
     
  6. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    IMHO, it is from a rim ding that was tooled and repaired! On both lower close-up pictures you can still see a slight distortion of the rim (it is slightly concave compared to the rest of the rim). As for the hole on the edge of the coin between the rim and the edge reeding, I would surmise that this is more than likely a drilled hole to allow the metal to somewhat compress (fill-in per say) when the rim ding was rolled or pressed out. Otherwise, the metal on the rim would have caused the reeding to bulge outwards, making the repair more evident. A torch would have been used to soften but not scorch the coin's metal to make the repair easier and allow the excess metal to fill-in the drilled hole. However, the total outcome was not as desireable as the person that made the repair wanted!


    Frank
     
  7. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    There is no need to start more than one thread for the same coin---we have threads that are much longer than the other one.
    I'm going to move these posts to the other thread.

    Speedy
    Moderator
     
  8. coinhunk

    coinhunk New Member

    Hi Frank. Thanks for that BUT I have to disagree 100%. ;)

    1. There is no hole on the edge. The lower photo seems to show that but it's not. I just have to get a clearer picture. It is awfully hard to get a zoomed in photo of a small coin. What seems to be a hole is actually the reeding pushed slightly inwards by the tiny bump.

    2. The rim is not concave on that part. In fact the rim is consistently flat throughout the obverse. It just appears concave because of the "arching" of the bead pattern.

    3. Is it possible to use a blowtorch on a 1 inch diameter coin with a fraction of a millimeter size bead pattern, and not damage the coin itself? Was just wondering.

    4. I bought this coin from a smelter and I guess the coin is no importance to him. Much less important to the person he got it from. I guess it is virtually impossible to have a "trivial" coin "fixed" or have a coin "fixed' then just throw it away for silver.

    5. Lastly, still couldn't explain how the bead turned up to be "split". Throughout the circumference of the bead sequence no other bead appears "split" with wear. Just on that area.

    Just some thoughts.
     
  9. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    coinhunk,

    Then we agree to disagree! IMHO, the coin was dropped on it's edge not directly in the reeding and someone repaired the rim ding. What I see, is a slight distortion (slightly concave) of the edge of the coin and have marked it with orange arrows in the copied and edited pictures attached. The concave area is between the arrows.


    Frank
     

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  10. coinhunk

    coinhunk New Member

    I think you just might be right Frank. :thumb::thumb:

    The only question now in my mind is, why was it fixed, if ever. hahaha

    Thanks Frank.

    Thanks guys!!!

    This coin goes to ebay for $30 (Or lesser? :mad:)

    :):):)
     
  11. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    coinhunk,

    Any rim ding on a coin...even a small one, detracts from the eye appeal of the coin and from it's value! Sometimes, such a small rim ding can be smoothed out (repaired) to make it completely or almost unnoticeable which can significantly effect the price that the coin will fetch. Coins that have a thin edge or denticles on the inside of the rim, create a bigger problem when trying to repair such dings. I must confess as some others here on C.T. might do also, that they have owned coins in which they wish they could have repaired an unsightly rim ding whether it was to make them have better eye appeal for their' Collection or to help with their value!


    Frank
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Congrats Frank - this one had me wondering myself. Your explanation makes perfect cents :thumb:
     
  13. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Who needs CAC! We have Frank and the Other Frank
     
  14. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Ooooh come on guys! You give me too much credit! I just play them as I see them and I noticed the slight concave portion on the edge of the rim of the coin right off!


    Frank
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Hey - take it while you can get it. I'll be disagreeing with you tomorrow :D
     
  16. coinhunk

    coinhunk New Member

    Thanks a lot Frank. :thumb::thumb: Thanks guys.

    So $20 then shall it go.:(
     
  17. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    :eek:

    Oh well, it was great while it lasted! :whistle::whistle:


    Frank
     
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