OTD: 2 total victories 338 BCE Philip II Chaeronea & 216 BCE Hannibal Cannae

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    And here I thought that me having to make the Costco run for food and snacks was the greatest endeavor undertaken on this date in history!?

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    (Good news, they had TP and peanut butter pretzels:woot:)
    But no, 2 of the greatest granddaddies of military victories of all time both took place on this day 122 years apart.
    Philip II defeats the combined forces of Athens and Thebes in the Battle of Chaeronea, in affect taking over all of Greece and the Aegean just as the persians had tried to do 150 years previous.

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    (Alexander's role was pivotal to his father's victory... and vice versa)
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    (Despite the bust, it was an eye and not his nose that Philip II was missing;))

    And then just 122 years later the Carthaginians with Hannibal, massively outnumbered, encircled and destroyed a Roman army at the Battle of Cannae.

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    (When nearly 100,000 Roman's and pals show up, just give them a hug. And by hug I mean completely surround them and hack 85% of them to bits)
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    (Actual ancient footage of Hannibal after the massacre aaand possibly single greatest military victory of all time. He had just finished a breakfast of farva beans and a nice chianti... and Roman brains!)

    With so much coinage from these times I doubt it will be hard to celebrate these two engagements in the same thread.
    We'll start with the most dynamic father son duo in history:
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    Philip II.
    KINGS OF MACEDON. Unit (Bronze, 18 mm, 5.57 g, 12 h), uncertain mint in Macedon. Diademed head of Apollo to right. Rev. ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ Youth on horseback to right; below, NI. SNG Copenhagen 582ff var. (different symbol). SNG München 210. Beautiful light green patina.

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    Alexander III the Great
    336-323 B.C. AE 20 (19.5 mm, 5.74 g). Uncertain mint in Western Asia Minor, ca. 323-310 B.C. Head of Alexander the Great as Hercules right, wearing the lion-skin headdress / ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ, bow in bow-case above and club, the weapons of Hercules; torch in field below.


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    Punic Domain, Carthage Sicily(?),
    Bronze, c. 350-320 BC; AE (g 4,40; mm 17; h 12); Palm-tree, linear border, Rv. Head of horse r., linear border. MAA 20; SNG Copenhagen 102.
    Dark patina.

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    Carthaginian Domain, Sicily
    c. 4th-3rd cent. BC. ’ (17mm, 2.7g, 3h). Wreathed head of Tanit l. R/ Horse standing r. before palm tree. SNG Copenhagen 1117-9 (Zeugitania).
    Former: lorddeibi6

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    ROMAN REPUBLIC. Anonymous. AE Aes Grave Triens (92.37 gms), Rome Mint, ca. 225-217 B.C. VERY FINE.
    Cr-35/3a; TV-53. Obverse: Helmeted head of Minerva left; four pellets (mark of value) below; all set upon raised disk; Reverse: Prow right; four pellets (mark of value) below; all set upon raised disk. A pleasing specimen despite its crudeness, with charming green surfaces. A test cut across Minerva's face is noted for completeness.
    Ex Stacks & Bowers



    So, what's the bigger victory? And what are your favorite coins that remind of these two earth shattering victories?
     
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  3. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Here's the actual Hannibal followed by an artists rendering of what her would have looked like, which seem to be all the rage right now, despite their sometimes making them all "sexy".
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    and the sexy Hannibal;)
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    MAKEDON

    The Mastermind
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    Makedon Philip II Tet Pella LIFETIME 353-349 Zeus Horse star spearhd Le Rider 102

    The Executor of the Plan
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    Makedon Alexander III - Alexandrine Babylon Di-Shekel Tet 24mm 16.35g LIFETIME 328-311 Baal - Lion

    Inheritor of the Legacy
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    RR Macedon occupation Alexander - Club Coin chest Quaestor Chair wreath Aesillas Quaestor AR Tet Thessalonika Mint BC 90-70


     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    ROMA - CANNAE

    Evolution of the 2nd Punic War CRISIS in a same Coin type


    1) Around the Time of Cannae - SILVER

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    RR Anon AR Heavy Denarius -Quadrigatus - Didrachm 225-215 BCE Incuse Roma Janus Jupiter Cr 28-3 S 31


    2) As Hannibal Ravages Italia and the Roman Armies - Less Silver

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    RR Anon AR Heavy Denarius Quadrigatus Didrachm 215-213 Janus Roma Relief tablet S 32 Cr 28-3

    3) Nadir of the Republic - Scarcity of Resources - FEAR - Billon

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    RR 225-214 BCE Anon BILLON Heavy Denarius Quadrigatus-Janus Didrachm Janus-Jupiter gallopng quadriga r 18.2mm 4-1g Cr 28-3 S 33
     
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    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CARTHAGE around 216 BCE (Battle of CANNAE)

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    Carthage Zeugitania AR ½ Shekel 17mm 3.8g 2nd Punic War 218-202 BC Sicily mint 216-211 BC Tanit l Horse r sun as double uraeus SNG COP 359


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    Carthage 216-215 BCE Sardinia mint AE 3.3g Tanit L - BULL stndg R CNP 377a


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    Carthage AE 31mm Trishekel 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War Tanit Horse Palm Pumic th SNG COP 342


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    Bruttium Carthage occup 2nd Punic War AR Half-Shekel 216-211 Tanit Horse SOLAR-O HN Italy 2016 SNG Cop 361-3


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    Carthage Iberia 218-208 BC AE 13 1-4 Calco Barcid Military Mint 2nd Punic War Tanit Helmet
     
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