Die-Struck Counterfeit 1894-S Morgan Dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Hobo, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Great thread and photos, Hobo! I note on your closeups that the "luster" within the devices has a fine sandy or pebbly look to it which I have seen on other high quality fakes, including a trade dollar I bought on eBay not too long ago.
     
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  3. Catbert

    Catbert Evil Cat

    A Teaching Moment!

    Perhaps a thesaurus is necessary to understand (keep in mind that a thesaurus is not a new type of dinosaur :yawn:):

    Main Entry:counterfeit

    Part of Speech:adjective

    Definition:fake, simulated

    Synonyms:affected, assumed, bent, bogus*, brummagem, copied, crock, deceptive, delusive, delusory, ersatz, faked, false, feigned, fictitious, fishy*, forged, framed, fraudulent, Hollywood, imitation, misleading, mock, not genuine, not kosher, phony*, pirate, plant*, pretended, pretentious, pseudo, put-on, queer, sham, snide, soft shell, spurious, suppositious, two-faced*, won’t fly, wrong

    Antonyms:genuine, real, true
     
  4. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Does anyone have a theory as to why the plating is missing from the higher portions of the devices?

    My theory is as follows: The coin has excellent luster and obviously has not circulated. (It is a modern counterfeit made to deceive collectors, not merchants.) So the plating would not have worn off. I wonder if the planchet was plated before being struck and the plating melded with the core metal during strking where there was the most movement of metal - at the higher portions of the devices.

    Anyone one else have any better ideas?
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Given the look of the coin I would guess it is a silver wash (which is much, much thinner), not plating. And given the look of the hits & dings I would also guess that it did wear off.

    These guys are getting smart enough now that they put the coins thru tumblers and such to make them look like they have authentic wear.
     
  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    At first look it seemed real to me...
     
  7. Frankcoins.com

    Frankcoins.com Junior Member

    The model coin was an 1879-S. You can see the 7 under the 9 in the date. These are the coins coming from China through ebay. The counterfeiters show an image with the word REPLICA Photoshopped on the picture, so eBay will not end the listings. The factory making these is shown in the current Coin World
     
  8. Frankcoins.com

    Frankcoins.com Junior Member

    They also produce artificially circulated coins, which look much better. Here the 1892 is genuine, the 1879-S is the fake, which weighs about 25 grams.

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  9. b.j.

    b.j. Senior Member

    Thanks for the post and the good information in it!
     
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