Philip I - Let's talk about Liberalitas

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  1. I’d like to share my latest purchase, an inexpensive but welcome addition to my collection.

    RIC assigns this type to Issue 2 at Rome, A.D. 245 (p.58), suggesting that it complements the ADVENTVS AVGG type of the same issue: ‘The return of Philip from the East is accompanied by a second largesse.’ (p.60). However, it is later placed more broadly as undated, A.D. 244-247 (pp.71-72). Samuel Eddy agrees with the placement of Issue 2 at Rome, A.D. 245. I’ve read online that Van Meter suggests a date of A.D. 247, but I don’t have a copy of his book - I wonder if anyone on CT would be kind enough to verify this comment and confirm if Van Meter gives any reason for this dating/placement?

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    Philip I
    AR Antoninianus, 3.87g
    Obv: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG; Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev: LIBERALITAS AVG II; Liberalitas stg. l., holding abacus and cornucopiae.
    Mint: Rome, A.D. 244-247
    References: RIC IV 38b, RSC 87

    Please share your coins of Philip I, Liberalitas, or anything you feel is relevant.

    - Daniel
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Very nice, @PillarsOfEternity !

    Here's my favorite Liberalitas.
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    Commodus, AD 177-192.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.42 g, 18 mm, 12 h.
    Rome, AD 180.
    Obv: M COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG, laureate and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev: LIB AVG TR P V IMP IIII COS II P P, Liberalitas standing left, holding tessera and cornucopiae.
    Refs: RIC 10a; Cohen 301; BMC 4.
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    All he adds to 247 AD is that it was to celebrate the arrival in Rome. Van Meter 20 page 227. Van Meter makes relatively few comments more detailed than this but his chapter heads are worth reading. I believe the book would have sold better if he had included cross references to a book other than Cohen.

    https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Rom...eywords=van+meter+roman&qid=1595736105&sr=8-2
    The above is offered for humor only. There is one editoon and copies not falling apart are hard to find. It was not well bound. It is marginally worth the $38 price IMO. $920.99? No.
     
  5. That's a great example. It would be simpler for me if my Philip I was similarly dated!
     
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  6. Thanks @dougsmit for your quick reply and confirmation!

    Yes, the asking price for that copy VM may be outside my budget :)
     
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  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer


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    the leather[ette] bound edition is much nicer, though only 250 were published.
     
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  8. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The coin is still in its raw sandy condition. Tyche on reverse with a star. Antioch. It weighs 16.43 g.

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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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    GORDIAN III
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: LIBERALITAS AVG III, Liberalitas standing left with abacus & cornucopia
    Struck at Rome, 240AD
    4.6g, 21mm
    RIC 67
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    PHILIP I
    AR Antoninianus
    OBVERSE: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG,
    radiate draped bust right
    REVERSE: LIBERALITAS AVGG II, Liberalitas standing left with abacus & cornucopiae
    Rome mint (4th Issue, 5th Officina), AD 245
    RIC 38b
     
  10. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Philip I Liberalitas.jpg
    Philip I, AD 244-249, AR Antoninianus, Rome mint, 5th officina, 4th emission, AD 245
    Obv: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: LIBERALITAS AVG II, Liberalitas standing left, holding abacus and cornucopia
    Ref: RIC IV 38b
     
  11. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    A fine addition to your collection!

    Who doesn't like a coin with a coin counting board on it?
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    Commodus, Roman Empire, denarius, 182 AD, Rome mint. Obv: M COMMOD[VS ANTON]INVS AVG, laureate head of Commodus right. Rev: LIB AVG V TR P VII IMP IIII COS III PP, Liberalitas standing left holding counting board and cornucopiae. 18mm, 2.24g. Ref: RIC III Commodus 36A.

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    Gordian III, Roman Empire, AR antoninianus, 240 AD, Rome mint. Obv: IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG; bust of Gordian III, radiate, draped, cuirassed, r. Rev: LIBERALITAS AVG II; Liberalitas, draped, standing front, head l., holding counting board in r. hand and cornucopiae in l. hand. 25 mm, 5.51g. RIC IV Gordian III 36.
     
  12. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Nice coins everyone!.....
    Philip I Antoninianus AD 244 / 249
    Obverse..IMP M IVL PHILIPPUS AVG.... radiate, draped bust right.
    Reverse..LIBERALITAS AVGGII... liberalitus standing right holding abacua and cornucopiae.
    RIC 38b
    4th Issue 5th Officina...This donative was given to celebrate the arrival of the Royal Family in Rome AD245?

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  13. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Not directly relevent but not unrelated either is the latest coin that I was processing today.....

    Philip II Antoninianus

    Obv:- IMP PHILIPPVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:- LIBERALITAS AVGG III, Philip I and II seated left on sella curulis, each extending hand and holding sceptre
    Minted in Rome A.D. 249
    Reference:- RIC 230

    Just about recognisable portraits on the reverse....

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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE


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    RI Philip I 244-249 CE AR Ant radiate zoo Antelope SAECVLARES 1000 yr anniv Rome

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    RI Otacilia Severa 244-249 CE wife of Philip I AR Ant Pietas Augustae incense RIC IV 43
     
  15. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Just realised I have another from Antoninus Pius (my first ever Denarius).......Apparently the 4th time he decided to throw bread at the plebs!
    Antoninus Pius (AD 138-161) AR denarius, struck AD 145-161. Rome mint.
    Obverse..ANTONINVS AVG PIVS PP,(Antoninus Augustus Pius Father of the people) laureate head right
    Reverse..TR POT COS IIII,(Tribune of the people 4 times Consul) Liberalitas standing left, holding abacus and cornucopiae, LIB IIII across the fields.
    RIC 155 type 1
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  16. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    A couple of coins of Phillip the Arab:

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    COMMAGENE, Zeugma.

    Philip I the Arab. 247-249 AD.

    Æ31, 19.2g; 6h

    Obv.: AYTOK K M IOYΛI ФIΛIΠΠOC CЄB; Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right.

    Rev.: ZЄYGM-ATЄΩN; Peribolos containing grove of trees, seen in perspective; tetrastyle temple in distance, draped figure within (Zeus?); in exergue, capricorn to right.

    Reference: Butcher 31c; BMC 35.

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  17. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Spiked hair cool...
     
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  18. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    I think that is a pretty exceptional coin!
     
  19. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Sulla80......Thanks...I must admit I was completely green when I acquired this coin but have since realised that it seems to be quite a hard to come by type...The more common being the type 2 with LIB IIII in the exergue...
     
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  20. Some great examples. It seems a number of CT members have this type already... glad I could join the club :)

    I noticed in the coins that were shared that this type was attributed to the 4th Issue, whereas I'd noted it as the 2nd Issue after consulting R.I.C. Is there another source for dating that I've missed?

    It was also nice to see some of the provincial examples. I don't have any in my collection (yet!).
     
  21. I have this type on my want list :)
     
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