How about this 1804 Draped Bust Dollar?

You can cast a coin with any material. Just because it weighs/measures right doesn't mean it's real. The coins made in 1804 were (99.9% sure) all dated 1803. The 1804 silver dollar was made in 1834 as a diplomatic coin, not to be used for money. They only made a handful of them as gifts to foreign officials, not for circulation. As such only a few were made and they are accounted for. Therefore yours is a fake, sorry.

Here's some background:

http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/1804_dollars/1804_draped_bust_silver_dollar.htm

 

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Dear Mr. Skrilla

I've visit that web side (coin facts), and I've read you story, I'm sorry.
The point is :
1. If this coin ( the bust, trade and morgan ) was fake, so they keep the fake coin for 90 years old in samosir island. What for they do that ?
2. why the same coin was in the USA and keep in local coin dealer for 25 years, they also made fake coin in they home town ? and the value of this coin just valuable in 1990 until now ? why they do that ? this is not circular coin and not legal for trade. Just for FUN ? haha...:secret:
3. We can argue with the expert who judge the coin genuine or not. Even the spec of the coin is match, because they think of coin business.
4. Why my morgan 1896 o the expert said it's genuine and worth $ 13,00 and not trade and the bust in just one look, not in their hand.Fantastic ! in my hand, the trade dollar was pretty look than the other. Can you feel the coin and talk to them ? I'm not crazy, you must try sometimes. Feel the coin, please.:rolling:

I just know why people in samosir island collect the coin when I visit the web side (see below )

please read this one. Thank you.


The writer is a clerical officer with a passion for solo travel.
Photos by Andy Gwee.
This article was first published in Life!, The Straits Times on April 15, 2008.

form : Please visit the web.Thank you

http://www.asiaone.com/Travel/Places+%26+Interests/Interests/Story/A1Story20080415-59977.html

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Yulvando write:
One reasonable why the coin was there (in samosir island). Remember this is not my story, I'm sorry. I'm just do my home work.I don't know them who's Photos this island, I don't know the publisher form the straits times and it was 6 month ago.
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5 things to do

1. Do engage the locals in conversation.Many of them speak reasonably good English and will share a lot about the island.

2. Do carry S$1 coins to hand out to locals who have been helpful. Many of them collect foreign coins as souvenirs.:thumb:

3. Do attend Si Galegale performances which are put up at several venues. It is up to you if you want to place money in the doll’s hand (below).

4. Do read guidebooks and, if possible, Forgotten Kingdoms In Sumatra before visiting Samosir to better understand what the island has to offer.

5. Do show respect by dressing modestly and behaving appropriately when visiting and photographing the decorative tombs all over the island.

2 don'ts

1 Don’t tip too heavily, so as not to spoil the locals into expecting big handouts from subsequent visitors.

2 Don’t speed when riding a rented motorbicycle. There are no hospitals on Samosir.

and the other information
Historian-cum-archaeologist F. M. Schnitger visited Samosir in the 1930s during his exploration of Sumatra, and a chapter in his subsequent book published in 1939, Forgotten Kingdoms In Sumatra, provided comprehensive descriptions and pictures of these tombs.

Well, I'm not juge my coin is genuine or not, just courious why this coin in samosir island and so famous and so many copy, when they made copy for this and what for, are they know in the future this coin is valuable (like supranatural thinking) ? only God Knows.

Regard
yulvando asril :hail:

 

Yes the coin is a fake. There are only 15 genuine examples that exist. No idea how it got to Samosir, probably from some tourist. They have these fakes for many, many years. Even 100 years ago the genuine coins were quite valuable - which is why they made the fakes that long ago. They didn't need to know the future for they knew then.
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Well, you said this coin was valuable in 100 years ago, and some smart man make this fake coin, not search the gold and give to other people in the USA and in Indonesia, no one knows this is fake coin because they don't know the speciment in 100 years ago, and the smart man make this fake exacly like the genuine, applause to that man, and haey ... the local police not arrest them who make this fake coin.
Now, the internet era, many fake coin 1804, and Hey, not like my coin, why ? and you said this is fake coin and made for along time ago.HOHOHO, this is not a good theory.
If 100 years ago this coin is valuable ( like you said ) and I don't know is fake, belive me I dont want to give this coin for the other people, I will keep this coin because I don't know is fake in 100 years ago. And I don't want bring it when I'm traveling.:smile
If I know is fake in 100 years ago, I don't want to buy it I report to the sherif.

Thank's for your information, make me more know about this coin mistery.
You really helpfull to juge my own coin. Now I doubt my coin fake or not. :headbang:

regard

 

Send it to

http://anacs.com/

since they don't require a membership.

They will verify for you that the coin is authentic or fake. I know you said you tested it with acid, but I find it impossible to believe that YOU put acid in the most focal parts of this coin. It looks to me like someone put acid in the middle of both sides to cover something up or to reduce the weight.

It would appear that you won't believe us no matter how many times we say it is fake (though you say you now "doubt") This is the last thing you can do to be sure. Hey, if it comes back authentic you will have a preserved coin that will fetch many thousands of dollars for a small fee, however, if it comes back fake as we say, you may keep yourself out of jail for trying to pass a forgery.

I would call them beforehand to see what they want to charge as a grading fee (which you won't get back even if it comes back fake).

 

I wasn't accusing you, I was saying I didn't think you did it, though it looks like someone did.

The only way to set your mind at ease is to send it to ANACS.

 

FWIW, lemon juice is a fairly strong acid.

 

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Ok thank you for your information.
I really respect for you idea, but I don't know what is ANACS, (remember I m in Indonesia), and where's the address ? What organization ?
Bay the way what about your coin ( bust 1804 )? you sent it to them ? Tell me the procedure if I want to sent it.

Regard

 

Hahaha, hello tarzan, this is coin forum, please go to the zoo or jungle forum,anyway thank's for the tips,:rolling:
......and if lemon juice is a fairly strong acid, for now I don't want order this juice to drink, so my teacher is lie, they said lemon is full of C vitamin.:goofer: #*!@#*!!!

 

Lost in translation.

 

Lost in translation.
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Yes, I agree, to keep your coin in box deposit in a bank, but you can enjoy to see the beautiful of coin at home. It's up to you. thank's.
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Any information or comment about my 1804 coin ? please give me a good realistic information. Until now I don't have a realistic information.

ps. My mother langguage is Indonesia, sorry about the world and the grammer. Thank's

 

(FWIW) For What It's Worth, Lemon juice is a fairly strong acid.

This is True Vitamin C is an acid (ascorbic acid). It has a PH of 2. Stomach acid has a PH of 1.

Ha ha,hello tarzan, this is a coin forum, please go to the zoo or jungle forum (your name is tarzan-a joke), anyway thanks for the tips.,
......I have juice and if it's acidic I don't want to drink it. My teacher must be a liar because she said that the juice has vitamin C (not acid). Drat! foiled again!

---Yes I speak broken English.

To find the information about Anacs, check here.
Anacs.com

 

I do not speak Indonesian, but I can use translate.google.com

Bahwa uang logam adalah palsu. Jika uang logam yang telah nyata akan senilai US $ 500.000 minimal bahkan dalam kondisi yang miskin itu kuasai Jika Anda dapat membuktikan ke saya benar-benar dapat Anda akan membayar US $ 500.000 untuk itu.

In English: That coin is counterfeit. If that coin was real it would be worth US$500,000 at least even in the poor condition that it is in. If you can prove it to be real I will pay you US$500,000 for it.
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In more detail, you asked what we thought of the coin, we told you that we felt it was fake. The truth is, this is a forgery and a relatively crude fake at that. In addition, the fact that it was found in Indonesia only makes it more likely to be a forgery as fake coins tend to come from China, Singapore and Hong Kong.

An 1804 Silver Dollar sold for $750 in 1865, these coins have been very valuable for a very long time and have been faked for over 100 years. Your coin being 90+ years old only means that it is an old fake.

 

Also, if you send that to ANACS and it is determined to be a fake (Which it will be) you will not get it back as it will be sent to the US secret service (Police that deal with counterfeits).

 

Really, I have never heard of a TPG sending a fake coin to the secret service...I was under the impression that the coin is body bagged and returned. Are you sure about this? It doesn't sound right.

 

Thank you for the information, and thank's to google traslate.:bow:
Save your money I'm not interested.
I can not prove that the coin is genuine, but I can prove that the coin is ripe treat people in more than 90 years. You can ask directly to the American journalist who had visited there (treat people), the site http://www.asiaone.com/Travel/Places% 2B% 2526% 2BInterests/Interests/Story/A1Story20080415-59977.html.
Please contact him, and wonder whether he ever see the local population to gather foreign coin from the first. :whistle:
I did not coin sold, but if you are interested in coin you can come directly to my home, my email yulvando@yahoo.com and I will give my full address in Indonesia. I will give the data in detail, and indeed when you consider I would like to sell it to you or borrow it to you. Apabila my desire and my criminal dibenak you, I'm sorry, a worker and have a happy family, is only incidental to get a special coin and please do not think too much. Even if I will send this coin, I have no experience in sending goods abroad. ​

Thanks:kewl:​

 

Very interesting, that this Coin falsified since long time ago. Year 1865 money is valued $ 750.the question is:
1. Where is the forger can be the blue print Coin this detail? morning newspaper? I don't think so.
2.Is foreign know in the year 1865 this 1804 Coin is very valuable? If they know, how do I know the original or false in the year 1865? whether there are experts at the time or money collectors?
3.If I do not know the money is counterfeit at the time, I certainly will not cross and I give to other people, especially Traveling taken.
4. I already see the Internet Coin false, and I compare with my Coin, is very different
5. I already see the Internet Coin false, and I compare with my Coin, different only in the date only. Specifications another very timely as the original.
6.Why the collector of rare coin in Indonesia do not know that this is 1804 Coin worth the price up to now? Coin dealership Even in Indonesia do not know Coin is valuable. Why? I also know the value of the new Coin 1.5 month ago.
7. If the Coin is false since a long time, certainly the forger have long since the original sample, and the counterfeiter is organized since 1834 from the United States, China, and even to Indonesia, they are very powerful.

However thank you for the information.

Regard
yulvando​

 

thanks for information

I would like to ask whether the original 1804 Coin have signs such as:
- On the reserve picture, such as eagles visible in the convex glass, such as images or 3 D? when viewed carefully from the corner 45 degrees or less?
- Is there a sign other than the size, shape, weight, diameter?
- Is any book that investigated diligence on this Coin ?

Thank's for your information

regard

yulvando