Chances this is UNC?

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  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I just went to CoinFacts and several MS62-MS64 1833 dimes have no detail on the right claw. Must be strike.
     
    C-B-D, Jul 24, 2020
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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    my take on it was rub from an album slide or envelope. The patina was affected, but I saw no flattening of the metal
     
    TypeCoin971793, Jul 24, 2020
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Maybe, and maybe not. Wear can be differentiated from weak strike once you know what to look for. But, it is quite common for the TPGs to grade the coin as MS, when it isn't, because few collectors do know what to look for.

    edit - should have added this. Weakly struck areas will have a texture to them, kinda rough kinda bumpy even sometimes. This is because the metal in that area has not reached, not touched the die, because of the weak strike.

    Wear on the other hand will be flat and smooth looking - no texture to it at all.

    Once you know that, and how to recognize it when ya see it, it's hard to miss when ya look close.
     
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    Insider Talent on loan from...

    GDJMSP, posted: "Have I ever said - Thank You Mike ! - for all the typing you save me ? Well, if I have, I haven't said it enough !

    Thank You Mike ! ;)

    I'd rather have your first LIKE. Or at the least put the "!" where it belongs! :D

    Dynoking, posted: "The coin has a nice strike. There Is disagreement over rub or wear on the high spots. I’m on the rub side. This should put the coin in MS territory. My concern is luster. I trying to up my game. How can one tell (from a picture and in hand) if there is luster under the toning?"

    You need to tip and rotate the coin under a bright light. This usually cannot be done in an image.

    whopper64, posted: "...Has anyone noticed with Indian Head cents that many of the NGC/PCGS slabbed coins are way over-graded? Obvious wear on high points (both obverse and reverse) seem to be ignored as the coins are given an MS grade. I realize that some of the Indian Head cents are not the best strikes, but wear is not a weak strike."

    Brown copper coins are often hard to grade because when they get wear their brown surface turns BROWN - just a little darker. Like everything else they do, the TPGS often ignore the rub on attractive Indians.

    This is a fact: ANYONE who cares to examine coins closely under FOLORESCENT LIGHT using a stereomicroscope set at low power 7-10X can EASILY & QUICKLY tell the difference between weak strike, friction wear, and stacking rub - even under toning! Once learned with the scope, a simple 7-10X hand lens is all that is needed 99% of the time to ID each.

    The key is the FLORESCENT LIGHT. Now you know why incandescent light is recommended by 99.999% of professional numismatists. It only lets you see half of the grading equation. I learned to use BOTH on the same coin before reaching an opinion of its grade/authenticity.
     
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