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  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Anyone want to take a stab at this one. Hopefully my pics are good enough for you to see it. NGC graded just to be sure.
     

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  3. FreakyGarrettC

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  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    You have not been around here long enough. Believe me, were that a 61, I would not bother to post it.
     
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    MS-66* Red
     
  6. DJP7x0s

    DJP7x0s Sometimes Coins Arouse Me

    Ill go with 66 RD as well.
     
  7. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    I just always seem to grade high on these things, so I decided to go with a pessimistic grade.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In all honesty I could not grade that coin higher than 64RD. Too many hits for anything higher.
     
  9. huntsman53

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    I agree but I would bet that NGC graded it MS-65RD due to the Reverse!


    Frank
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I do not know what I am doing wrong with my pics then. Maybe they are just too big. With a looupe in hand ,there is a nick on the cheek (that does not show above) and one each on the E and N in "CENT". If you look closely, there is a tiny spot on his cheek. Oh, and all the luster needed for any grade.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    This is what I am looking at -
     

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  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    How many times have I heard on here that you are to grade with the naked eye or a 5 X loupe at most. That pic you have there at least 20 X. Even my original pic is nearly 10 X on my computer. I am not going to tell you that you cannot find something there, but you have hunt to find it. In hand, that is one of the cleanest shoulder I have and that includes 60+ MS67's.
     
  13. jetshack

    jetshack Roll Hunter Extrodinare

    The fields on this coin are insane even with the monster magnification. Reducing the dimensions of the coin down to around 5X (Ctrl Scroll mouse button if you have it) and the defects fade out.

    I'd love to have this coin. My personal 34P was graded 65Red by PCGS before I pulled it from the slab. This coin looks better.

    My guess is MS66Red with a star.
     
  14. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    rlm,

    I guess the next question would be! Are all of those scratches on the coin or on the holder?


    Frank
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I not sure I can completely answer that question. The slab looks clean to me, but some of those "scratches" I really cannot find. (BTW, my monitor may be bad, but my eyes are still pretty good.) Looking at Doug's pic, the "Y" and line to its right are there. Just as a point of reference, the longest of them is about 1/32 of an inch long. The spec to the left of the bust is dust.
     
  16. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I have no idea if these will help or not, but here are some more pics with slightly different angle and lighting.
     

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  17. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    No further than Ms 62 that's what it looks like from the pics anyway. i think the obverse will take it down ,very weak strike
    jazzcoins Joe:whistle:
     
  18. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    When they grade the coin they always go for the lower grade if the reverse is a higher grade then the obverese either way they alwats give it the lower grade So this coin will get the lower grade because of the obverse.which is about MS62

    Jazzcoins joe:whistle:
     
  19. rld14

    rld14 Custom User Title

    Looks like a 63-64 Red to me.
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I give. That coin was graded MS67 and I assure you that in hand it is not overgraded for any reason mentioned here. There is nothing about the coin to indicate that there are nicks all over it. I is a full clean red and a better than average strike. The only flaw I find notable is a spot on Lincoln's cheek that has not even been mentioned from the pics.
     

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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You are quite correct, grading is done with the naked eye for the most part. And yes, I have said it probably a thousand times.

    Even so, based on your pics I have no doubt that I would see those marks with the naked eye. And when I saw them I would then use a 5x glass and look closer. I blew the pic up for one reason, to point out the area of my concern and make it obvious.

    Those marks, coupled with the light scuffs in front of the face should limit that coin to grading 64. Since NGC chose to grade it 67 I can only say that they screwed up - big time. Were the coin mine I would send back for consideration under the grade guarantee.

    All I can do is tell you my honest opinion.
     
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