Off Set Printing Error

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  1. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    1977 Boston $1.00. Very crisp. The back is on the front.
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  3. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    Back to front offsets are my favorite. Here is one of mine. I am guessing yours and mine are probably the third or fourth offset printed. Not very dark, but dark enough to bee cool.

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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Yes they are very nice.
     
  5. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I tend to be drawn to these over some other errors, like gutter folds.
    Here's mine.
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  6. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Yes it is. Are you able to explain how this happens ?
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    As I understand it the press does not feed in the paper. This causes the ink to be placed on the plate instead of the sheet. When the next sheet is fed into the press, the ink on the plate is transferred to the sheet. This places the ink on the wrong side of the sheet.

    If you can explain it better, please do so.
     
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  8. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Sounds good. I believe the presses use huge drums. One drum has the intaglio engraved plates attached to it and the other drum applies the pressure to the sheet as it passes between the drums. Intaglio printing requires lots of pressure. When a sheet is mis-fed, gets folded or doesn’t get fed at all, then the inked drum, that holds the plates presses directly on to the pressure drum and leaves ink on the pressure drum....which gets applied to the wrong side of the sheet, getting fainter and fainter during each revolution.
     
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I have my paper and I add to it from time to time. I'm just not as advanced as you are. Thanks for the more detailed run down on Printing.
     
  10. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    The only problem I see there is that a front or back plate is separate from whatever is being printed, so how would your scenario work?
     
  11. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    It ends up on the other side of the sheet. A side it was not intended for.
     
  12. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Still not sure that works as an explanation, but what do I know? Each side printed goes to a drying room and then back for the next printing, so how would ink stay wet on a plate long enough to transfer?
     
  13. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Maybe it’s my wording. Here’s the explanation from page 144 of Fred Bart’s Error guide.

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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Thank you. That is a bit easier to understand.
     
  15. Dr Kegg

    Dr Kegg Star Note Fanatic

    I couldn't have explained it any better lol
     
  16. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Okay, so if I understand what the article is saying, currency is printed one side at a time, so during the printing of whatever side plates are in the press, the other side is blank. Okay? So after the sheets are dried and then put through the plates for the opposite side, it prints OVER the accidental print the impression cylinder had printed. Do I have that correct?
     
  17. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Ran across this article Paper Money Errors: The Offset Printing
    By Benjamin C. Simpson, YN
    "Offset printings are roughly analogous to clashed dies for coins. When the impression cylinder is mistakenly rolled over a wet printing plate without a sheet of notes intervening, the ink design on the plate is transferred to the impression cylinder itself. This blunder causes the subsequent sheets of notes to be printed with its usual design on one face (transferred from the plate) and a mirror image of that design on the other face (erroneously transferred from the impression cylinder). A reflection has been produced on the opposite side of the note. On all small-size U.S. currency, there are multiple printing stages. Offset errors most commonly occur in the first printing, when most major design elements are produced."
    I think this is a more succinct explanation of what happens.
     
  18. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    When the impression cylinder has deteriorated or is damaged and can not press against the paper being printed you get what is called a "board break". Basically works similar to a cud on a coin. The impression cylinder does not place pressure on the paper in certain areas against the printing cylinder and the ink in not transferred to the paper. Here are some examples:

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    Not the same $20 bill
     
  19. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Yes
     
  20. CaptainMK

    CaptainMK Active Member

    All the currency I see here is so cool, I hope to find one of these some day
     
  21. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    I think your chances of finding one in the wild is very slim. If you want one, go to a show (whenever that occurs again) or search on eBay. If you find one on eBay that you like make sure they take offers and start at half or less than the asking price, then haggle from there. Most "Buy Now" prices (to me) are excessively overpriced.
     
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