I GUARANTEE You Have NEVER Seen An Error Like This

Makes you wonder though if China didn't have a hand in making it (along with the fake certification) but I have to admit I drooled a little looking at it.

 

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Here is my 1907 Barber dime on a nail.



( Yes, it is a counterfeit. But it's still cool! )

 

yeah I love stuff like that too. I have a counterfeit 50 cent piece made in Canada

 

But I ordered pastrami on rye...

 

He was in South Carolina; moved to Florida a couple months ago.

I have a feeling being near NGC could be a reason

 

I appreciate your thoughtful discussion of the topic.

I suspect it comes down to "we can prove that these were fakes, or we can prove these were not supposed to be released." The ones that they can prove should not have been released will be prosecuted. The ones they can't..... well, we know they're fakes but we can't prove it.

In the end, every collector has to decide for themselves if its something they desire or not. I have absolutely zero interest in things like the 1913 Liberty Nickel (which you mentioned above). It's an illicit product of the midnight mint, just like the abomination in this thread. I personally have zero desire to own anything like that - it's not a genuine mint product. It ranks right down there slightly above things like the Dan Carr stuff, in my opinion. However, there are plenty of people who like that sort of stuff, pay large premiums for that sort of stuff, and I hope they're happy with it. Just not for me.

 

Well, now that leads to another cool topic: Fake vs Altered vs Unauthorized.

To me "fake" (a.k.a. counterfeit) means nothing about a coin is genuine. The planchet is fake, the dies are fake, and the striking process isn't done at the Mint which is depicted on the coin.

"Altered" means the coin has something genuine about it. For example, the planchet is genuine but the dies which struck it were fake. Or someone changed a number in the date or added a mintmark to a genuine coin.

"Unauthorized" means everything about the coin is genuine. The planchet was authorized by the Mint, it was struck by Mint-made dies, and made in the Mint facility indicated by the coin. The only issue is that the Mint did not officially approve its production and/or its release.

 

THIS is exactly what makes coin collecting so much "FUN". The choices of personal tastes in collecting is endless. Some like only "wheaties" other collect only Merc. dimes. I have met collectors that wouldn't touch an error coin. Myself, I grab up anything that makes me smile until I find a new coin. It's all about the smile isn't it?

 

I actually meant Jon.. I mistyped the name. I know Jon moved to Florida recently. I purchas errors from him also. I met him at the Philadelphia show 2 years ago.

 

Oh, there's a Mint error involved, all right -- the Mint failed to bust the perpetrators and confiscate the novelty.

 

I know you did

 

Man - talk about callin' grapes sour when they're outta' YOUR reach

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Cool piece JC .
(I think ya' oughtta' get the nail graded tho' )

 

I believe it would be a "dual planchet denomination, mated pair, chain strike."

 

One I can think of off the top of my head were the two workers convicted of smuggling out errors from the Philadelphia mint back in 2000, including most of the Sac mules.

True, they went to great lengths to recover the 1933 double eagles. They demanded the return of the 1974 D aluminum cent but never actually went after it. They just hounded the guy until he finally returned it. They know about the Toven specimen of the 1974 aluminum cent, which they have said is government property but have never made any attempt to recover it. and in the case of the 2000 Sac mules the court found that something like 17 of the coins are government property. They know who has them now, but they have never tried to recover them.

It seem like the only way to get the government to try to recover their stolen property is to either give it to them (the Lanboard 1933 double eagles) or to try and sell them at auction (what started the vendetta against the 1933 DE back in 1944, and the 1974 D aluminum cent). That idea fails though because the Sac mules have appeared at auction and the government never made a peep.

 

That's a mouthful.

 

This was a thought-provoking post. I generally agree, but I would take a stricter definition of a case where fake dies struck a genuine planchet: I'd call that an outright fake.

I think of "Altered" as a genuine coin that has had someone move metal around on it. That would include modifying a date or mint mark, as well as whizzing or tooling.

As for the subject of this post, I'd call that "Frankencoin."

 

It would be a "fake die strike on a genuine planchet."

 

Have it graded to find out if is real.