What's Up With This Half Dime?

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  1. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Here's an 1853 Liberty Seated Half Dime with arrows. The reverse is about 10 degrees off center as indicated in the photos. There is a small spot of damage to Liberty at breast height. The reverse has a bit more wear than the obverse. And then there's the date. Please tell me what is up with this Half Dime.
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  3. Lawtoad

    Lawtoad Well-Known Member

    Rotated die strike, with post mint damage. The date looks like it took a hit or two from something. The reverse is showing more wear than obverse, which is not uncommon for Seated coinage. One hundred sixty seven year old coins often show signs of taking a beating.
     
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  4. J.T. Parker

    J.T. Parker Well-Known Member

    Botched breast enhancement?
    Interesting looking date.
    J.T.
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It's worn but no smooshing.
     
  7. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    That is a mighty interesting date.
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Yes it is.
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    This would be an interesting piece to do an XRF test on. I suspect possibly a contemporary counterfeit.
     
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  10. Goldsayshi463

    Goldsayshi463 the person who says "hi" all the time

    I wish I had an 1800s coin in any condition
     
  11. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Interesting suggestion @Conder101 The details look mushy and the head and date are "off", so a cast contemporary counterfeit may be a possibility. Can you get an accurate weight and diameter? As Conder said, an XRF would be a quick and easy check if you know somebody who has one
     
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  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    They are not that expensive in the circulated grades. You just have to find the dealer who has some to sell.

    OOPS! I was thinking this was a dime. I don't have an 1853 half dime. My type coin is an 1854. Here it is.

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  13. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I can't find any reference to anything like this in Valentine, Blythe, or Flynn. Also, nothing like it in Steve Crain's image collection;

    https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/imagecollection/514182

    It would be nice to have a much clearer and closer shot of the date numerals but here's a couple of thoughts:

    - The 8 does not look like a blundered punchmark, more like PMD.
    - The 8 looks to be much lower than the 1, 5 and 3. Odd.
    - The 5 looks quite strange, not like any 5 I have seen on a 1853 w/Arrows or really like any other LS half-dime I've seen.

    The 1853 w/arrows is one of the most common of all LS half dimes and there are like 78 obverses and 80 reverses and a bunch of mules.

    I guess it could be a contemporary counterfeit so I would do a dimensional and weight check.

    But if I had to guess without any further information, I'd say this is PMD caused by someone trying to do something but what I cannot fathom.
     
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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    You should be able to find a decent coin in a mid grade for a good price.
     
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  15. Lawtoad

    Lawtoad Well-Known Member

    I agree. If you are looking just for a coin from the 1800s you can get Indian Head Cents in decent conditions for under $5. Seated coinage itself is fairly inexpensive for common dates. Be careful though, once you start down the road of obsolete coinage like seated liberty coins, you will find it to be very addicting.
     
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  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    You are so correct. I love those Bust Halves!
     
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