Die crack or lamination error?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Nathan P, Jul 16, 2020.

  1. Nathan P

    Nathan P Well-Known Member

    I don't know much about this and was hoping for some opinions (thanks in advance).

    Sicily, Akragas (480-470 BC)
    AR Didrachm

    20.17 mm, 8.80 g

    Westermark, Coinage, Group IV; HGC 2, 97.
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice coin, looks like Lamination.
     
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  4. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    I agree. Since the lines do not go through to the reverse, probably lamination.
    Nice coin.
     
  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Laminations are not raised on the coin. Die breaks are. I'm going to suggest that both are present but I would not call it a lamination. More like a defective planchet or a chunk of extra silver placed on a planchet to bring up its weight into tolerance. Then struck with a broken die.
     
  6. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Looks like an edge chip that probably occurred during the strike. The lines on the obverse do look superficial, therefore a flan lamination.
     
  7. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    The excess metal is from a broken die. Here is another from the same broken die. The deep lines that look like scratches are traces of an overstrike

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  8. Nathan P

    Nathan P Well-Known Member

    Wow, thanks for finding this! A couple of questions: When you say die break, do you mean die "crack"? And I'm confused about your use of the word overstrike. Are you saying it was struck over another coin? Thanks.
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    pprp, posted: "The excess metal is from a broken die. Here is another from the same broken die. The deep lines that look like scratches are traces of an overstrike."

    The raised line of metal resulted when planchet metal squashed into a crack in the die. The die was broken forming a die crack on the coin. I disagree about the overstrike. I cannot think of any design that would be like that and in that position on a coin.
     
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  10. pprp

    pprp Well-Known Member

    Yes a crack in the concave die means that there will be some excess metal on the imprint it leaves. Overstruck means they used a coin of similar weight and not a blank flan. Here are a couple of overstruck examples from akragas.
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    And one overstruck coin from my collection

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  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    pprp, posted: "...Overstruck means they used a coin of similar weight and not a blank flan. Here are a couple of overstruck examples..."

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    These two are nice examples of overstruck coins.
     
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