Yes, and thanks. I should have logged out and searched it for myself. Red book offered no help but first site did when I asked forn " what is a clash error in coins". You answered it much more succinctly. QUESTION, does or can this ruin a die/s?
It sure aint good for them but they use them often for years like that. See the Morgan VAM series or the Ike Talon Head. Ruben
Hardly years Ruben, most dies only last a few hours in today's world. You have to remember that the presses they use today spit coins out at the rate of 1000 per minute. But he is right Zeke, they continue to use them until they wear out.
I GUESS THE MINT WANTS TO GET THE MOST BANG OUT OF THE BUCK OUT OF THEIR DIES. ( and that is a pun). They sure don't cull them out very well. My 1999 is covered with them but hard to show you with my scanner. The E in united has a big ding in it and I don't think it's from coin to coin damage now. It looked like it before I learned from youse what VAM's are. Since the 1999 is a wide AM do you think this would add any more value to it. Boy. I hate to ask that question. Makes it seem that I'm in collecting only for the money. I hope you guys don't think that I am??? zg
To some people it does. But for the most part clash marks are pretty common. Some even see them as a detriment and would not want the coin because of them. So it just depends on who you are asking at the time. But rarely do they add enough value to mean anything.
Thanks for the info. I'm learning a lot. And enjoying it. Lots of fun. Lots to ask but should make the effort myself before bugging everyone zg
Spend some time in the Numismatic Resources section Zeke. You'll be surprised what you can learn in there
I wasn't really think of todays coins...but Morgan and other varieties. a thousand a minute of a single strike die coin minter? How about the heat from friction? Ruben
The presses have 4 sets of dies in them at a time. But yes, they strike each coin once and spit 'em out. Modern dies may strike as many as a million coins or more before they retire them. When they minted Morgans a few hundred thousand was probaly tops. But often it was much less. Even back then though, the dies didn't last very long. As for the heat - where do you think grease filled die strikes come from ?
Interesting thread. You found two of these Zeke? Wow. Hope you post it if you send in. The first coin has a dull look, like poor luster and would appear cleaned accordingly because I see little to no wear. Coin does not have a strong strike which could look like wear, but I don't think it's wear and therefore the luster loss would be from a cleaning. Could send to NCS and they would grade as genuine if it's a cleaned coin, otherwise specify to send to NGC if it is not a cleaned coin.
1st WIDE AM Upon looking over very carefully my first wide A M it seems that you may be correct that it may have been cleaned. In order to show the real naturalness of it I tillted it and the obverse shows just what it looks like. Nice business strike gloss. Some wear down at the V.D.B. area but I can't tell if there has been cleaning going on. The reverse is a typical business strike BUT there are fine lines that seem to go across the whole obverse. I hope these scanner shots are better for everyone to judge.
