Help Cleaning of Silver Coins OOPS

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by mondo, Feb 19, 2004.

  1. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The easiest way to tell if a coin has been dipped - I should say dipped improperly or too many times - is by the luster. And you don't need magnification to do this. Just look at a coin in the light turn it slowly and watch how the light plays & reflects on the coin. If it does so consistently across the surface of the coin then the luster is not broken.

    But if there are spots that do not shine or reflect the light in the same manner - then these are luster breaks and the coin has either been dipped or has seen wear.

    An overdipped coin will appear flat and lifeless - washed out - as there will be no luster. This is because dipping solutions are mild acids that actually remove the surface of the metal. It is the fine lines that are caused by metal flow when the planchet is struck that produce luster. And when these fine lines are worn down by wear or by dipping - the luster is gone.

    As for silver killing germs - well - horsepuckey :rolleyes:
     
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  3. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    What happened to the other post?
     
  4. Andy

    Andy Coin Collector

    cmbdii, I guess ebay will never ask for your endorsement. We agree on the ebay thing and I think we would agree on the fact that if a coin is in bad shape and could be fixed up, fix it and enjoy it as such. My problem is also with those who pass off damaged coins as BU's. Hey they used to hang horse thieves and they used to collapse buildings on contractors who built faulty houses,middle eastern thing from way back, so why can't ebay at least screen their major dealers? Then I would buy for who wants hassels over the internet.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator



    The site owner dropped by.
     
  6. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    "The site owner dropped by"

    That's Peter, right?
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yup - that's Peter. He deleted the post.
     
  8. cmbdii

    cmbdii New Member

    Pete pulled it. It seems that only our fearless mod, GDJ is allowed to make rude comments here.
     
  9. cmbdii

    cmbdii New Member

    No, it isn't "horsepuckey" at all. Silver colloids were used as antibiotics for decades before the development of sulfa drugs. Silver has exactly the effect on milk at room temperature as I described and the practice of using a large silver coin or spoon in a pitcher of milk is still common worldwide. Hollow sterling baby rattles are still sold and are used widely enough that the major sterling jewelry manufacturers are still producing them. I know this because I retail sterling jewelry and my main supplier offers the rattles in his catalog. The FDA regulates colloidal silver and the regulations have grandfather provisions for silver colloid producers.

    If you disagree, why not make a case for your disagreement instead of posting a rude, childish comment? You can get Peter to pull this too if you like, but your own rude silliness will still show members here how you debate. A moderator has a responsibility to refrain from flaming forum participants. Show some responsibility.
     
  10. cmbdii

    cmbdii New Member

    Yep, there are sellers on ebay who will misrepresent coins. Ebay is a venue I just won't use any more. I found a few coin dealers there who I'd buy from without ebay involvement if they'd like to sell to me, but no more of the ebay auctions for me.

    I'll clean a coin if there's something on it that will ruin it. I'll also buy coins that have been cleaned. Plenty of buyers don't mind a cleaned coin as long as they know that's what they're getting.
     
  11. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Well distilled water will not clean a coin. It does neutralize some of the acids in other cleaners. Despite some other claims, a coin should not be cleaned. While it was accepted practice in times past, none of us live in that time. We either have to accept the given practice or work towards changing it. NCS offers a conservation service through its counterpart NGC. If you decide to clean your coins, you will effect the value of that coin. While some sell many of these without cause, it is still effecting the value at some point to some collector. So if they can live with that, more power to them.
     
  12. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    I've often wondered, what's the difference between "conservation" and "cleaning"?
     
  13. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Conservation is being cleaned by a few accepted people who believe they can do it better than the rest of us. (that is supposed to be an attempt at humor)

    I have seen a few examples of coins cleaned (conserved) by NCS and was very impressed. I could not distinguish them from an original coin.

    Now I personally view thousands of coins a year, and this proceedure that they use, is great. I don't know if it will last, or be accepted in the future, but it is the only way to bring out the features of a toned coin and still retain the value.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    cmbdii -

    First of all - I didn't get Peter to do anything. If I had wished to do so I could have deleted your post myself. I delete posts & threads here every day as per the Forum rules. Peter did that on his own.

    Secondly - I was not being rude. You had stated your opinion using many words. I stated mine using one.

    For whatever reason - from the very beginning anytime I make a comment that disagrees with something you say - you have always taken offense at that. Why ? You disagree with almost everything I say - I take no offense. You have your opinions - I have mine. I see nothing wrong with that.

    I personally do not like censorship - so unless a thread or post is blatantly breaking the Forum rules - I leave it alone. That applies to your comments as well.

    For the most part - I ignore your comments so as not to antagonize you by posting my thoughts on a given subject. But when you say something like the comment you made about silver killing germs - well I'm going to disagree with that. If it were true - silver coins would be germ free. They are not. Circulated coins are among the dirtiest things on earth. Germs thrive on them. Look at one under a microscope sometime.

    The colloidal silver that you mentioned is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal base. This not a product that is safe for humans to use. There was a time when it was thought to be a good idea - but with many products like this it was later determined by doctors and scientist to actually be harmful to humans. Colloidal silver is certainly not a product that would fall within the comment you made about silver killing germs.

    Perhaps you should read something about colloidal silver - it is found on the Quack Watch page.
    Colloidal Silver

    My apologies to the rest of you. But I thought that in the interest of fairness that I should make these comments and allow cmbdii to make his. Now - we can either get back to the subject of the thread - or this thread will end.
     
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