1909 S VDB Feedback

As mentioned, if you didn't pay much for the coin, or the lot of coins, then I doubt it is real (Chinese fakes are really good now) and even auctioneers have enough knowledge to either have it appraised or evaluated before selling it in a lot. Another tale-tell is how the coin was stored. In a can with other coins, or in its own separate flip or air-tight. As for authentication, I believe ANACS or ICG will do that inexpensively.

 

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I would not pay very much to get it graded because I think that it is bad. A knowledgeable dealer should be able to help you for free. I am more certain that is a counterfeit now that I have seen it on my desk top computer.

 

A respected coin shop with a degreed numismatist could most likely tell you without sending it to TPG. He or she most likely would not even charge you a fee. My opinion only. Good luck

 

Can you post a close-up of the VDB?

 

It doesn't have 1 thing that I've seen identical on fake '22 noP, and '55 dd.

 

that is a very well written article I was unaware of the spacing on the “s”

 

Thanks Kentucky, maybe Ill learn a third thing from this event. What is TGP? I was once a member of PCGS platinum about 8 yrs ago, but the relationship didn't make it past the first year because I quickly caught on there was a distinct bias relative to the number of coins submitted in correlation to the grades received (tested it). Now I just enjoy grading my coins the old way. Thanks in advance.

 

HaleiwaHI, sorry didn't see your thread you are correct that is a very educational article, thanks again Curios.

NuMRmatis, can you elaborate on the tells?

 

Chief, try holding a loupe against the lens of your camera and take a magnified picture through it. You will have to test which angle and distance gives you the best close up shot of a particular device (mint mark, VDB, etc.). You can also zoom in with your camera and use the loupe if you need a really zoomed in shot. Good luck with determining the authenticity of your coin!

 

Yes, please show a close up of the VDB clear enough to see the dots between the letters.

 

Sure - by PM Chief (probably a few others here know that feature).

The tell-tale feature (of one of the features of the '22 no P, and '55 DD) might be available on the web anyway, by now - it's how I CONFIRMED my '22-no P was fake.

Yours does NOT have the same feature (which does NOT mean that is isn't fake, but)...

 

I just googled Chief - BAD news.

The feature that was common to MY fake '22 no P , and to OTHER fake '55 DD's is SIMILAR to yours, but not identical.

HOWEVER, I just found images of fake '14D, and a DIFFERENT '22 no P FAKE, that have IDENTICAL left wheat EAR ANOMOLY - 100% IDENTICAL TO YOUR REVERSE.

Yours is fake.

This thread is solved.

 

A TPG is a Third-Party Grader like PCGS, NGC, ANACS or ICG.

 

Gentlemen, thank you All its been amazingly educationally fun. I learned a lot. Until the next challenge.

r,
Chief

 

You guys beat me to it. Yes this coin is fake. After looking at thousands of coins over many years, you get to know how a real coin looks. This example does not have that look and even without the wheat ear anomaly, it stood out to me as likely fake.

 

Chief, sorry for the bad news and very glad you took it in stride. Although the experts on this forum are very knowledgeable, I still think it worth your time to go to a good coin shop near you and ask their opinion. The nuclear option would be to submit it via a dealer as a bulk grading thing. That way you don’t need a membership and can just pay the dealer directly. It will cost yoy a few bucks but - the investment is minimal for the potential gain.

if the grading company says it’s fake then worst case scenario you’re out $20. That’s a lot in this climate, but may be worth the risk.

vr,
Hotwheels

 

No need to spend any good money after bad. This coin is fake. No question.

 

My initial thought was wrong. First thought tooled mintmark but after looking again just pure counterfeit

 

It appears to have rim damage and the color is shallow in my opinion. If it is a fake the TPG will send it right back to you. If it is genuine I do not believe you will receive the grade you hope for. I would take it to the nearest Numismatist for an assessment before deciding? Good luck and be safe.

 

Interesting - what stood out as 'likely fake' - by a web-pic, no less ???