1861 O CSA?

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  1. Jasongj

    Jasongj Member

    There is a die crack but maybe early stage? Knowledge is greatly appreciated. CM200621-004533001.jpg CM200621-004709006.jpg CM200621-004533001.jpg CM200621-004709006.jpg
     

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  3. coloradobryan

    coloradobryan Well-Known Member

    I hate to break it to you but the coin you have does not match a real 1861 O half dollar. Its a fake. It also has the look of a fake. Likely magnetic too. Try using a magnet on it.
     
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  4. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    This coin appears to be a counterfeit 1861 O. Nothing looks right about it at all to me.
     
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  5. coloradobryan

    coloradobryan Well-Known Member

    Yep, i got the same vibe.
     
  6. Jasongj

    Jasongj Member

    It's not magnetic. Dang thanks for the input.
     
  7. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Date is too small, and all wrong.
     
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  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    +1
     
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is a genuine 1861-O half dollar.

    1861-O half dollar O.jpg 1861-O half dollar R.jpg

    The die breat for the Confederate coin is not spectacular. Here are a couple of pictures.

    1861-O Confed half close.jpg 1861-O Confed half dol O break.jpg
     
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  10. Long Beard

    Long Beard Well-Known Member

    Compare the obverse and reverse wear. Both should be consistent and are not, the reverse has detail two full grades higher than the obverse. And that date? I hope the hit you took was not a high dollar one.
     
  11. GH#75

    GH#75 Trying to get 8 hours of sleep in 4. . .

    Did you buy it? Maybe you can get a refund if you haven't had it for very long.
     
  12. schnickelfritz48

    schnickelfritz48 Well-Known Member

    The date on the 1861-O Seated Liberty half screams fake.
     
  13. Jasongj

    Jasongj Member

    Getting money back thanks everyone.
     
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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Two things:
    1) It doesn't look right at all
    2) Just because it's dated 1861 does not make it a CSA coin. CSA is for Confederate States of America. This, if real, would have been minted by the Union States. The CSA had their own coins.
     
  15. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Just a brief history lesson.

    The New Orleans Mint was run by three entities in 1861. According the Red Book, it struck 330,000 half dollars when the U.S. Government controlled it, 1,240,000 when the State of Louisiana had it and 962,633 after Louisiana joined the Confederate States of America. The educated guess is that the pieces with the die break shown above were among the last group.

    The Confederacy only made one coin that was of their design, the Confederate half dollar of which four are known. All the rest of the coins that the Confederacy made at the Dahlonega, New Orleans and perhaps Charlotte Mints were made with union dies. There were no really good die makers in the South who were available to the Rebel Government.
     
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  16. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for the learning lesson. Very interesting and educational.
     
  17. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Excellent information johnmilton. Didn't study of coins recovered from the SS Republic result in a few additional varieties attributed to the Confederacy?
     
  18. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is the "Scott restrike" of the only coin that had "Confederate States of American" on it. The "Confederate Cent" may have been for real, but the Confederate Government never saw it. People are debating its status.

    Here is a Scott restrike of the Confederate Half Dollar.

    1861 Confed Rest O.jpg 1861 Confed Rest R.jpg
     
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