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jom

 

Not a clue. Not even a wild guess.

 

Obviously I don't have a clue but still make an uneducated guess

 

there are only two options though...50/50 chance

 

No bean.

 

Bean on the commemorative, assuming the luster is there. Original as you can get, JA loves originality on coins.

 

I think the uneven toning prevents beaning.

 

There is more than two. It could have been a gold bean....

This is an interesting case though. What if it failed the green bean? This means CAC thought it was AT BEST a 67 "C" coin whereas PCGS thinks it was an 67 "A" coin (hence the +). Its interesting (to me anyway) that a coin could be graded with such a wide variety of opinion from two experts in grading.

jom

 

Yes on the bean.

 

You are correct; I forgot the third option.
Has anyone seen a 67+ with a gold CAC before? I recently saw a 66+ with a gold sticker.

 

So the question should be, does CAC bean all PCGS + coins? At least, what is the track record? If they do, then how many go gold? If it's rare then why waste the money to get a bean?

 

Because there’s a push from some quarters to convince us that the only coins that will really sell are PCGS with a bean. From people selling PCGS with a bean, of course.

 

They don't necessarily bean all plus coins. Of those that they do, not many are gold (gold stickers are fairly uncommon regardless of plus or no plus).

Why do people go for the bean on plus coins? It's the same as for non-plus coins. Some want a second opinion, some trust JA more than the graders, some have been convinced to only buy coins with stickers, and some do it so they can sell to those that only buy stickers.

 

This one got the sticker...I'm not a fan of the look, but it has that original look that tends to earn a CAC sticker.

 

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 40: 1881-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 7 (3 Green and 4 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 41: 1940 PR 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 42: 1824 AU 50 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 43: 1937 Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

Rd. 44: 1903 PR 63 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 1

Rd. 45: 1857 MS 64 CAC 10c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 6

Rd. 46: 1828 MS 62 CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 47: 1958 MS 67 FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 9

Rd. 48: 1902 PR 64 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 49: 1832 AU 58 CAC 1/2c--> Yes: 5 (1 gold) vs No: 4

Rd. 50: 1902 PF 61 CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

Rd. 51: 1953-D MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 52: 1880 MS 64 CAC $1--> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

Rd. 53: 1882-CC MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 54: 1892 MS 64 Columbian CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

Rd. 55: 1895-O VF 20 CAC $1--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

Rd. 56: 1880-O MS 64 Not CAC $1--> Yes: 11 vs No: 0

Rd. 57: 1954 PF 65 CAM Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (7 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 58: 1879-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

Rd. 59: 1949 MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 5

Rd. 60: 1880-S MS 66 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 vs No: 7

Rd. 61: 1936 MS 67+ Green CAC York 50c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 22
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 17
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 5
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 9
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 2
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

It reflects their taste but does not trump my view or what I may offer from my table at a show. I would not pay a premium for that coin bc of sticker, they would have to sell it to cac to get that. At local shows setup at seen few CAC coins nor been offered any.

 

We get it, you do not like CAC.

 

Some I like some not. Nothing personal, I just don’t believe any one man or entity is the final say and the voting here appears to confirm that. Ultimately it is the buyer who holds that honor whether a winning deal or a lemon he’s buried in.

The CAC coins I have done best on were PQ enough on their own. The ones thumbs down here I believe would be tough sell based on 30 yr bourse room experience.

 

Exactly, which is no different that pretty much every coin on a bourse floor.

CAC is simply a useful tool...it's another opinion...a very expert opinion in fact. Take it as you will.

About the debate over whether to only buy PCGS CAC coins. I've found that a bit odd. I can understand the Registry thing...I guess that makes sense but why pass on a coin that is in an NGC holder with a sticker if the Registry doesn't matter? That makes NO sense to me.

On a side note I've always thought coins "look" better in PCGS holders for whatever reason so I can understand crossovers or crackouts for that...if you have the money to waste on that...or you are a Registry freak. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

jom