Augustus Denarius

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  1. Romancollector

    Romancollector Well-Known Member

    I could be wrong, but I think the OP wants opinions before he pulls the trigger.
     
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  3. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    Understandable. But in that case I would be reluctant to post them, so as to not inspire others? Then again, mayble I'm a bit too negative in this case :)
     
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    This is the reason I've done it before. Sure, the downside is you tip your hand to any lurking competitors. But if you're willing to take that risk, I don't see why it's a problem to solicit opinions?

    I'm pretty sure that's a no-no on the FORVM boards, but those forums are owned by a dealer, so I can see the conflict of interest there. But...?
     
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  5. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    It is so ironically true that the dynastic issue of Augustus with Lucius and Gaius reverse is in such a rather low demand. But I wonder if the opposite would not be the case if one of these young would-be successors had actually lived and succeeded Augustus. It is interesting to speculate how in such a case the entire history of the Julio-Claudian line would have been altered. (In fact there wouldn't even be a Claudian part of it).
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    AUGUSTUS

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    RI Augustus AR Denarius struck 2 BC-14 AD Caius and Lucius Caesars stdg shield spear S 1578
     
  7. Aetius

    Aetius Active Member

    Incredible photographs, may I ask what software you use to produce that mirror effect?
     
  8. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    My only Augustus/Octavian coin
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    Octavian. 30-29 BC. AR Denarius (3.75 g, 10h 19mm).
    Italian (Rome?) mint.
    Bare head right / IMP CAESAR on the architrave of Octavian’s Actian arch (arcus Octaviani), showing a single span surmounted by Octavian in facing triumphal quadriga. This arch was awarded to Octavian in 29BC for his victory, defeating Antony and Coleoptera at the battle of Actium,Very fine with interesting bankers mark.
    RIC I 267; CRI 422; RSC 123;
     
  9. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks! It's a template in Adobe Photoshop and I use natural light for photographing coins (on partly cloudy days).
     
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  10. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    I believe that the finding of large ish quantities of Augustus Caius & Lucius types scattered over a certain area identifies the Teutoburg Forest catastrophe. Quintilius Varus! Give me back my legions!
     
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I see a couple other downsides. What if one of our number, not necessarily the most expert, were to ask if the coin might be fake and incline not only the poster to avoid the coin but also taint that item in the mind of a half dozen other people here who may have been watching that item. It is never safe to assume that you are the only person who has seen any particular coin. Even if nothing disparaging is posted, it is not good to draw attention to lots for sale. After the sale is closed, we can post all of the positive or negative posts we wish and not harm or benefit the seller or the buyer. Before, I consider it advertising to help the seller or unwise to tip off others that might not have otherwise known they wanted to bid on the coin. That is why I consider it fine to say there is a nice sale from a seller closing tomorrow but not to say 'look at lot xxxx' unless we are also notifying that seller that the coin is a fake and should be pulled. Discussing history carries fewer potential problems than does trying to influence the future one way or the other. We are here to spread information on ancient coins, not to monkey with the prices realized in future sales unless it is to protect others here from fakes or fraud.

    I assumed the coin posted was already in the possession of the original poster.
    Joe takes a lot of guff for not allowing discussions of his competitors on the site he maintains out of his pocket. I see nothing wrong with that but it does make Coin Talk more appealing since we can use the names of CNG, Harlan Berk, Frank Robinson, Warren Esty, Pete Burbules, AMCC, John Anthony or any of a hundred other honest sources for the coins we buy without violating the rules. Coin Talk is ad and 'membership' (Supporter status) financed. Those things pay the bills that come directly out of Joe's pocket. Both methods accomplish the same thing but carry different downsides to users. I post more on Coin Talk because I find that financial system less restricting. Others may see it better the other way.
     
  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Makes sense.
     
  13. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    A little late to the party.

    This flan, wider than tall, was positioned advantageously for the legends.
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    21 mm x 19.5 mm. 3.78 gr.
     
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  14. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    That's new info for me, interesting! I don't understand it though, but of course i'm not that well informed when it comes to collectors tastes. Is it also because it is the most common type for Augustus? (as mentioned by Van Meter)
    For me, this denarius type has been on my whishlist for quite some time. And a good specimen with full legends, and / or the 'x' gets a high hammer price.
    In any case, I recently got the opportunity to finally get mine (posted in another thread too). I'm very pleased with it, so yes, of course, I want to show it again :)
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  15. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

    Nice thread. I have always enjoyed those most magnificent portraits of Augustus!
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    This is one of my favorites of Augustus. Well used down to a slug, probably in legionary areas. Then retarriffed with counterstamps to allow the soldiers and/or local populace to have AE small change. Really cool.

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    Augustus
    As
    four countermarks
    25-23 mm 9.8g
    TICA AVG probably for Tiberius Augustus CE14-37 Dolphin
    Ex: @Valentinian
     
  17. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    This thread, as many others is a delight for the eyes :happy: each and every denarius is awesome!
    Looking for one that is not in this thread yet, I think this one:
    AR Denarius, C. Antistius Reginus, moneyer
    Rome, 13 BC
    17 x 18 mm, 3.590 g
    RIC I 410; RSC 347;

    Ob.: CAESAR AVGVSTVS Head of Augustus, bare, right
    Rev.: C•ANTISTIVS•REGINVS III•VIR sacrificial implements: Simpulum and lituus above, tripod and patera below
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  18. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coins indeed.

    This is my Gaius&Lucius coin with bold portrait :)


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    Augustus
    Augustus, denarius.
    RIC I 207, RSC 43.
    Lugdunum mint.
    19.5 mm, 3.8 g
    Obv. CAESAR AVGVSTVS DIVI F PATER PATRIAE, laureate head right.
    Rev. AVGVSTI F COS DESIG PRINC IVVENT, C L CAESARES below, Gaius and Lucius standing front, each with a hand resting on a round shield, a spear, and in field above, a lituus right and simpulum left.
     
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  19. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    It's so nice to see those marvels !

    Here are my Octavian/Augustus denarii

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    Mark Antony and Octavian, Denarius - Asia minor c.41 BC
    M ANT IMP AVG III RPCM BARBAT QP, Bare head of Mark Antony right
    CAESAR IMP PONT III VIR RPC, Bare head of Octavian right
    3.62 gr
    Ref : HCRI # 243, RCV #1504, Cohen #8


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    Octavian, Denarius - Italian mint, possibly Rome, 31-30 BC
    Anepigraph, bare head of Octavian left
    CAESAR - DIVI F, Victory standing right on globe, holding wreath
    3.84 gr
    Ref : HCRI # 408, RCV # 1552v, Cohen # 66, RIC # 255


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    Augustus, Denarius - Colonia Patricia mint ? ca. 19-18 BC
    CAESARI AVGVSTO, laureate head right
    SP - QR on either side of a domed terastyle temple, in which is a chariot with aquila.
    3,66 gr
    Ref : RSC # 279, RIC # 119


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    Augustus, Denarius - Lyon mint c.12 BC
    AUGUSTUS DIVI F, Bare head of Augustus right
    IMP X, Bull butting right
    3.77 gr
    Ref : RCV #1610, Cohen #137


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    Augustus, Denarius, RIC 207
    Rome mint, 2 BC
    CAESAR AVGVSTVS DIVI F PATER PATRIAE, Laureate head of Augustus right
    AVGVSTI F COS DESIG PRINC IVVENT, Caius and Lucius holding shields and spears
    3,65 gr
    Ref : RCV # 1597, Cohen # 43, RIC # 207

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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    This humble Æ is the only coin of Augustus I have owned. I liked that the moneyer bore the same name as the emperor Otho would, 76 years later. Could he have been Otho's grandfather or great-grandfather?

    Augustus (27 BC-14 AD), Æ as, struck ca. 7 BC by moneyer M. Salvius Otho

    Obverse- CAESAR AVGVST PONT MAX TRIBVNEC POT, bare head of Augustus right.

    Reverse - M SALVIVS OTHO III VIR AAA F F around large S C.

    RIC 431, 27.5 mm, 11.4 g.

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  21. Andrew McCabe

    Andrew McCabe Well-Known Member

    These two pages from my working notes, showing my late Octavians, may interest collectors as an indicator of how I collect.

    Yes it is mostly about old collections and provenances.

    From top, we have
    - Sotheby's 1995
    - Huntington (who stopped collecting 1908)
    - Leu 1980
    - NFA 1988, also plate coin Sear Imperators
    - NAC 2004. This century but very old toning and rare Aegypto Capta type
    - cistophorus deacquisitioned as I found nothing
    - CNG 2001 but I understand it came from NAC prior. An aureus so some compromise
    - Huntington

    2nd page
    - Haeberlin, Cahn 1932
    - nothing before 2010 so this will likely go
    - VJE Ryan Glendining 1952
    - Trau family probably since mid 19th c, ex Hess 1935
    - Huntington
    - newly acquired (Mars/Shield) large flan and old deep toning so the hunt starts
    - President John Quincy Adams
    - Hoskier, Stacks 1917, Hamburger 1932 and Dr. Nicolas Kampann 1972

    There are no quality compromises - these are all huge flan well struck pieces usually with perfect surfaces tho some are more worn than some high end collectors want. But you buy what you want to collect and these sort of coins reflect what 19th century collectors thought best quality with an emphasis on large flans and good surfaces and less emphasis on wear.

    I have about 600 other coins akin to these

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