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I hope I’m not putting too much stock on the spot. No bean.

 

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Nice Morgan with good contrast. I see the spot others are mentioning, but I'm guessing it beaned.

 

No CAC for me.

 

Give that Morgan a bean.

 

I'll say yes for a Green ...the spot bothers me too but I'm guessing the other positives of the coin offset the spot

 

No bean on ngc 66 pl 1880-s $. Don’t like dark spot reverse plus overall appearance below par. My taste gem brilliant PQ dazzling Cartwheel lustrous PL look (good sellers) which I expect on these. Not a coin I could easily move at positive margin on bourse or online.

From a marks point of view technically a 66 but remains a C coin. Would price at bid plus 10 pct for sell. Eye appeal average quality at best. Overall the coin is just not there for me.

With CPG about $470 in 66 a nice 64 ch bu pl say at $150 would be a better buy.

 

I thought the spot would doom it for sure as did others here, but it did CAC. The spot still bothers me, and I will eventually replace it.

 

Wow, amazing! Another bean on a coin a lot of people didn't think worthy.

 

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 40: 1881-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 7 (3 Green and 4 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 41: 1940 PR 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 42: 1824 AU 50 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 43: 1937 Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

Rd. 44: 1903 PR 63 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 1

Rd. 45: 1857 MS 64 CAC 10c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 6

Rd. 46: 1828 MS 62 CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 47: 1958 MS 67 FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 9

Rd. 48: 1902 PR 64 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 49: 1832 AU 58 CAC 1/2c--> Yes: 5 (1 gold) vs No: 4

Rd. 50: 1902 PF 61 CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

Rd. 51: 1953-D MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 52: 1880 MS 64 CAC $1--> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

Rd. 53: 1882-CC MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 54: 1892 MS 64 Columbian CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

Rd. 55: 1895-O VF 20 CAC $1--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

Rd. 56: 1880-O MS 64 Not CAC $1--> Yes: 11 vs No: 0

Rd. 57: 1954 PF 65 CAM Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (7 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 58: 1879-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

Rd. 59: 1949 MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 5

Rd. 60: 1880-S MS 66 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 vs No: 7

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 22
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 16
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 5
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 9
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 2
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

Floor is open...

 

It is hard enough just to accurately grade a coin from photographs and get the right number. When you then ask people to perform incremental grading from photographs, it doesn't surprise me at all that they are in disagreement with CAC.

 

What's wrong with you people? Even after I gave my opinion of no bean many agreed with me! Haven't you figured out by now I don't deserve any respect! Just say the opposite of what I say and the odds are good that you'll be right. Gee whiz, I'm going to have to change my avatar.

 

It's obvious - we are incapable of learning from hard and bitter experience - we much prefer to stand by our beliefs however wrong experience demonstrates them.

To the point of the CAC question on this thread, I think - and I speak only for myself - that after 50 thread pages I still cannot define in a functional manner what CAC is looking for.

 

It's difficult to learn someone elses definition of subjective.

 

Consider this thread if changing your avatar.
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/anyone-else-tire-of-members-posting-personal-images.361800/

 

Cac has their particular taste it doesn’t always match mine.

Per his podcast they sticker what they define as A or B coins. C get no sticker. Buy the coin not the sticker. Pass on coins stickered or not that don’t meet your standards.

 

Next up...PCGS MS 67+

 

No to bean on PCGS 67 plus York. I prefer pieces which are brilliant and at most just lightly toned. Black streak a turnoff. It is a C coin in my view. It could do well with toning hobbyist. Are the spotty cloudy areas perhaps pvc?

Even if it was beaned does not meet my standards in what I would spend money on on in this range. If bean sell it to him then.

 

No bean. I don't hate it, but the uneven toning hurts the eye appeal IMO.

 

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