Confederate $5 Fake?

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by Heavymetal, Jun 28, 2019.

  1. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    I realize this is an old thread, but I have a question about the wording above the building in the OP's note: "Two years after the ratification of the treaty of peace between the Confederate States and United States of America."

    What treaty was that?

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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I think it was the Commerce and Navagation Treaty between the US and Liberia. It establishes about trade with the 2 countries. No mention of the Confederate States that I recall. It was signed in October 1862 in London but it wasn't ratified by both governments until 1863. It protected trade.

    It might also refer to the treaty of the Dakotas as there was a war with them at the same time.
     
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  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    It was the treaty that never happened. it referred to treaty of peace between The Confederte States of America and the United States States of America. Abraham Lincoln never recognized the Confederate States as a nation, and since they lost the war, no treaty was necessary.

    That's why some people like to joke that the Confederate officials "kept their word" with respect to the treaty and their currency.

    Here is a "copperhead" Civil War token that symbolized what the South wanted:

    418-118 O.jpg 418-118 R.jpg
     
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  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    All of the 1861 notes had blank backs except for the $5 note by Jules Manouvrier. It had a back, but it wasn't very impressive. The Confederate officials didn't like this note because it had not vignettes and was too plain, which seemed to make it a target for counterfeiters.

    Their attitude was not improved when it was noted that the packages Manauvrier's $10 note were opened in shipping, and some of the notes were taken. Officials decided to destroy the whole issue. None of these $10 notes are known to today, but if a genuine example were to appear, it would probably set a world record price for a piece of Confederate currency. No one knows what these $10 notes looked like, but if you find one that strongly resembles this piece your ship may have come in!

    T-12 1861 $5 F.jpg T-12 1861 $5 B.jpg
     
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  6. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the information about the non-existent peace treaty, @johnmilton. It makes the note even more interesting, IMHO.

    Steve
     
  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Davis appeared on all of the 50 cent notes and some of the $50 notes.

    T-72 1864 50c.jpg T-50 F 1862 $50.jpg
     
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