Guess the Grade and comment- Pattern 1836 Gobrecht $

Not for the faint of heart, my 1836 Gobrecht example just recently came back from a TPG. I appreciate any comments!

 

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Too porous for me. I will guess cast.

 

Doesn't appear cast in hand- no edge seam and XR scans from an accredited lab show silver at two levels:

 

Which TPG?

Anyways, I would also go with fake.

 

It is unsual to see a genuine coin that looks like this. The marks look like they are reproductions of marks, not the original marks.

I am 80% sure that this coin is bad and 100% sure that I would never buy it.

 

I have to agree with others. Has all of the looks of a fake. However, with enough due diligence I could be convinced it was real and simply had a tough life somewhere, a LOT of due diligence.

 

Possibly an ICG Not Genuine slab

 

Lots of tiny hits, which almost looks like it was in a rock or brass tumbler with screws.

 

This is the kind of coin you need to touch and weigh to say whether it's good or not. Photos are not flattering.

 

Thank you for the responses; it is in fact a struck fake. The following images show the progression from the holed genuine example to the plugged/ repaired one in the center to mine on the right.


I agree the images of mine are not "flattering" but it is what it is- that didn't preclude it from being "authenticated" and slabbed with a grade!

The weight was shown in the analysis chart above as 26.666 grams, or 411.52 grains against the reported standard of 412.5 for the 2nd striking of 1836 "originals".

 

Which grader and what grade?

 

Two other examples from past major auctions (both also slabbed):

 

Looks like some repeating marks in the fields on the rev in the "progression" image.
I thought the coin in the first photo looked like a transfer die forgery, kind of porous, rounded numbers, some dentil issues. Maybe they throw them in a rock tumbler for a while to pock up the surfaces enough to conceal the porosity and to hide repeating marks from the transfer dies. Scary that these are getting past TPG graders, I have always thought all the main services (4) were adept at spotting fakes, especially in a series like this where even lower grade examples can sell for 5 to 6 figures.

 

I know everyone is dying to ask, which services authenticated them?

 

I don’t think Jack wants to disclose this information. It’s scary enough that the XR scan checks out and at least one grading company missed to identify the counterfeit.

 

Isn't it best to know? What is the benefit of hiding the information? If disclosed, then we would know which service to be even more careful with when seeing their slabbed coins (especially ones that are more likely to be counterfeited). He doesn't have to show the holder (or cert number) either.

 

Not planning to hide anything- just reviewing responses as this post goes forward. The prongs shown on the last example tells the TPG for it as well as the other one. I will show mine later...
My 1st article on these was in Coin Week for anyone interested:
https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/s...836-gobrecht-dollar-1-page-attribution-guide/

 

It checks out? The scan reports what is supposed to be a 90% silver coin as 96.8%

 

Silver content is high for the standard at the time and noted when the tester sent the results. We were primarily interested if it could be an electro.

 

Sorry, I read 90.8... and I agree 96.8% silver content is indeed a bit high, even considering variance.