PCGS Pop Quiz

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Which of the following is not a method of manufacture

  1. Business Strile

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Specimen

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  3. Uncirculated

    22 vote(s)
    78.6%
  4. Proof

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Saw this in a mailing from PCGS and thought I would see what people here answer...
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  3. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Uncirculated?
     
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  4. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    Specimen.
     
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  5. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Uncirculated is not a method of manufacture. All business strike coins start out uncirculated as a matter of not being used in commerce yet.

    Specimen* and proof are 100% methods of manufacture.

    * Specimen is a method of manufacture in currency.
     
  6. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    Uncirculated is a grade for business strikes. I liked this though!
     
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  7. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    Sort of, in foreign coins. Uncirculated should be a designation also, many graded gem, bu, and details uncirculated. Same as sample coins. I don’t know of any official US minted specimens. Only some classified as specimens by TPG’s. Of course I’ve been wrong many times!
    https://www.stacksbowers.com/News/Pages/Blogs.aspx?ArticleID=what-is-specimen
     
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  8. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Every coin technically does. I can see where the trap may be here with the uncirculated as moderns are called that by the mint
     
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  9. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Uncirculated as a grading designation is not the same as a 'Method of Manufacture' as stated in the poll title and in the original post.

    As I mentioned in my post quoted above, 'Specimen' is a method of manufacture in printing currency, not minting coins.
     
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  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    The problem and where this gets interesting is as I mentioned the mint literally calls certain modern versions uncirculated. It has a double meaning beyond the grade and has for a while. I could certainly buy an argument for that as it has become more than a grade.
     
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  11. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    Easy now. The question’s first answer was business strike, indicating coinage not printed currency. I know next to nothing about banknotes;)
     
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  12. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Initially I read it the same way as you. Then I thought about 'specimen' and re-read the question. As the poll question reads, it specifically states method of manufacture which I see as a bit of ambiguity. That ambiguity opens the door for printing in addition to minting. ;)
     
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  13. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Every single item that comes from the Mint, or the Bureau of Printing and Engraving for that matter, leaves the premises as uncirculated. I still fail to see how that is a Method of Manufacture.
     
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  14. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

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  15. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    You're thinking about it as a grade, whereas the mint uses it as a style of the coin as well. Proof/Uncirculated/Reverse proof etc.

    I think they should have had a better descriptor than uncirculated, but there are multiple coins where the mint uses the term to describe the style with a few examples below

    https://catalog.usmint.gov/american...ated-coin-19EG.html?cgid=american-eagle-coins
    https://catalog.usmint.gov/basketba...d-silver-dollar-20CD.html?cgid=commemoratives
    https://catalog.usmint.gov/basketba...lad-half-dollar-20CG.html?cgid=commemoratives

    I'm not even arguing that it's right, but considering how the mint uses the term the poll gets far more interesting
     
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  16. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    I agree!
     
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  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Uncirculated is a grade, not a type of manufacture. All business strikes start out as Uncirculated.
     
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  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    You just contradicted yourself. EVERYTHING starts out uncirculated. The mint uses it as a designation for type, they are also made differently than business strikes if you wanna get technical.

    Even though that probably is the answer they’re looking for completely ignoring ultra moderns isn’t the answer either
     
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  19. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    UNC is the condition of the coin. All the rest are types of manufacture. Yes there are Specimen coins. Look it up on PCGS or NGC. MS refers to business strikes, PF or PR refers to proofs, and SP refers to specimen.

    Edit: look up modern Lincoln cents 1959 to present under the PCGS price guide. The SMS coins, which are neither business strikes or proofs, are listed under the SP tab because the method if manufacture is different for those years than business strike or a proof manufacture.
     
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  20. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

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  21. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Alright @Kentucky ...... I was all enthralled in this thread over coffee this morning. My answer being “proof” is the correct answer.... Right???
     
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