Mexico 5 Centavos 1918

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Grade?

  1. VG

  2. F

  3. VF

  4. EF

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  1. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    This has a bit of luster in hand but also a small scratch on the reverse but not prominent. Fairly large bump in cost from fine to very fine. This is a raw coin but what do you think it would grade? I have no idea with this series. Polish_20200609_210907111.jpg
     
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  3. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member

    I would say - it is Very Fine.
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I'd say Choice VF, on the cusp of XF. Wouldn't argue against the latter.

    So VF+ or XF-, depending on how you like to look at it.
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    If the price jump is between F and VF, you're golden. 'Cause that's a solid VF, IMHO.
     
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  6. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Thanks for the review. Yes the price more than doubles between F and VF.

    Edit: then more than doubles (almost triples) again from VF to XF. I imagine these were workhorses back in the day, and not a lot survive in better condition.
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    If we're using American standards, that is. The Brits might call that Fine. Their system seems stricter. But the big two TPGs (PCGS & NGC) are of course American companies. On the Americans' Sheldon scale the TPGs use, I'd be surprised if that came back below VF.
     
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  8. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    That's a nice coin. As you say these were workhorses and are often heavily worn. I've seen a lot from this series where you can barely make out the date.
     
  9. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Well-Known Member

    I guess I'm going to be more conservative in my grading. From my familiarity (albeit limited) with Mexican coins, I don't consider the coin makes VF. Look at the snake crossing the eagle's breast. Thus to me, it's somewhere in the Fine category.
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    This is a good point and I see what you mean. You haven't knocked me off my VF perch, but I'll admit you could be right.
     
  11. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I agree good point. What I don't know if there is some issue of weak strike in play that could contribute to the flatness of the snake across the eagle breast.
     
  12. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    It's an easy VF in my opinion. I agree there are some strike issues.
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yes, I'm pretty sure the area where the snake crosses the eagle's chest is the absolute highest contact point on that side, and therefore it is perhaps not surprising that part of it goes missing at around VF level (70-75% of the original detail).

    I just was shooting a picture of a circulated 50-centavo oops- peso- of that era this morning. Let me find the pic...
     
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Ah. Here we are. This is a larger coin, so it might not have much relevance. After comparing them, I'd put them both in the VF spectrum, but downgrade yours in the OP to VF rather than VF+ and put mine closer to that "cusp of XF" I mentioned earlier. So VF20-25 on your 5c, VF35 on my peso, with the possibility of XF40 on a good day.

    But the point is, I'm still at VF on yours. Are you gonna have it graded? Because now I'm dyin' to know!

    BTW, I also have a PCGS World submission going off in the near future.

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  15. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I hadn't seriously considered having it graded until you mentioned that. I think it needs some conservation on the reverse around the 5 o'clock position where a small amount of verdigris seems to be in the denticles.
     
  16. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I like your peso coin here is mine with a similar wear pattern. I am not sure you posted the correct one. You mentioned 50 centavo... Polish_20200610_182101880.jpg
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yes, peso. Sorry, saying "50c" was a tired brain glitch on my part. I think the darker toning makes your 1922 peso much more handsome than my 1923, which I was nevertheless pleased to find in a small World silver lot.
     
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  18. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    I think it's a low end VF.

    As a rule though it's easier to overgrade world coins than to undergrade. I believe a good thumbing would improve its appearance.
     
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Y'all may not all know him, but @cladking is someone whose numismatic opinions I have respected for nearly thirty years.
     
  20. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    So here is the scoup on this particular coin. I got this in a lot of about 30 pieces where I picked out of a bin. A lot of them were old bid board items that did not sell. I got them for a dollar each. This particular one still had the LCS card attached with a grade of fine a catalogue price of $35 and an opening bid of $7. So it didn't sell and ending up in this bin where I paid $1 for it. If I were to send it in and it came back VF then it would be an easier sell down the road and I would only have the grading fees and postage (and the dollar) into the coin.
     
  21. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I am not sure what a thumbing is but it seems to me that might be a good idea. What do you do? Wash your hands and lightly rub the coin with your thumb?
     
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