1807 Draped Bust Quarter Dollar

You keep saying counterfeit - I have compared two different B-1s next to this coin and it matches up. So if you want to educate us on why it is counterfeit. Put two pictures together and show us.

 

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Here you go Isaiah, this should help you help us. The coin in question and a B-1 variety. Please point out the areas that have convinced you that the coin is a counterfeit.

 

O.K, thank you for the photo. The immediate differences that I noticed was that the nose is far more pointed on an original, it seems infinitely more rounded on this counterfeit. Also the lack of denticles on this counterfeit is another "giveaway" as to it's origins. thank you.

 

Wow... Isaiah is sure having fun trying to convince everyone this genuine coin is counterfeit!

 

your hilarious. Do you mean to tell me that those denticles just magically disappear? And did liberty just have a nose job gone wrong? Just saying

 

Well - one of the things I like is the different opinions. And if there is something I can learn then all the better.

As for Isaiah mentioning the dentils the two coins in question the one on the right only has weak dentils from 4 to 8. The boldest being from 6 to 7 - which with the condition of the coin on the left I can see those being worn into the rim. As for the nose - not to sure about it, but it looks like the wear could smooth it out into the rounded version. Of course just my opinion.

 

thank you. I still have to respectfully disagree.

 

The nose could be like that from wear. Wear can do an awful lot to a coin!

 

That's a stretch. I mean, just look at the denticles on the good example. They're barely there to begin with. On the coin you judge to be counterfeit, the denticles are worn off. Just look at the wear pattern on the coin. As far as the nose, it's just worn down, like the rest of the coin. You're welcome.

 

To me, it looks worn, but genuine. I have seen examples of older bust coinage on Heritage with very weak peripheral striking- for some reason- and would anticipate that they would wear down like this one. My 2 cents.

 

Come on Isaiah... denticles wear off just like the point on Miss Liberty's nose. I have a really hard time believing you're serious (and I personally don't believe you are).

 

I am very serious. how could anyone not see the obvious differences between a genuine piece and this blatant Chinese counterfeit?! It seems as if at least a trace of denticles would be bold on an ABOUT GOOD-3 specimen, As does the point of Liberty's nose. Also- what makes you believe I'm not serious? Just wondering. Thank You All.

 

The stuff that you point out have just been the subject of common wear. I have a Morgan dollar that is down to around Poor/AG and to look at it, you would see details that are different. The nose is rounder, the eagle has only half wings.
The denticles are totally gone on my coin as well, but that doesn't mean that it is fake. I got this coin when it had great detail. I've seen it change as it has been my pocket piece for a few years.

Unless you can point out stronger points, I don't see how you have a leg to stand on and call this fake.

Speedy

 

Isaiah- I understand your concern about forgeries... we are all aware of what are Chinese friends are doing. It just seems that you are somewhat paranoid about this problem, to the point where even genuine coins appear fake. The overwhelming concensus is the coin is genuine, with wear patterns consistent for the grade. You will not convince me otherwise.

 

Here's one that sold on Heritage, graded F2 (has a bit less wear than the coin under discussion) and no denticles to be seen. Even the AU and MS examples of the B1 I can find only have fairly strong denticles from about K2 to K8 on the obv, and and weak rev. denticles from about K6 to K10. So, I don't think the absence of denticles on the coin under discussion can be used confidently to classify it as a copy.

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=417&Lot_No=9064&src=pr

 

Here are a few others...the closest to showing dentils is picture 2. Look at how much better that coin is.

 

Oh well, your loss doubting me.

 

Well, not my loss... I didn't buy the coin!

 

very true.

 

So where's the part where Lucy gets stuck in a terrible predicament that wshe tries to hide from Rickie?