1807 Draped Bust Quarter Dollar

I don't know. The hair on the forehead seems to be wrong and in addition, the biggest point to me is the uneven wear pattern. It makes no sense for this coin to be evenly worn on the reserve and so lopsided on the obverse. The chances of this happening is off the scale.

Ruben

 

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I call it individuality!

Coins are no different than us so while one may not lean to either side, some lean towards the obverse while others will lean towards the reverse and some are way out there and double struck. Then there are the brockage ones, which give us a two-headed or two-tailed coin, with one being the inverse of the other and they remind me of a group of PEOPLE that republicans don't like.

I have so many coins that the reverse is awesome and the obverse is barely readable, and vice versa. So coins have individuality just like we do. :thumb:

Isn't individuality awesome!

Ribbit

 

right....

 

The reverse of the coin is fairly evenly worn 360 degrees around the coin where obverse is much less worn in the lower right quadrant of the coin.

Now the coin from Ebay also shows a similar ware pattern on the obverse. I didn't lok at the reverse, but not nearly so extreme. How many times do you need to touch a coin to develop ware? A hell of a lot (the would be a good experiment actually). And for it to be that uneven needs, IMO, an explanation, especially since the reverse doesn't suffer this ware pattern to the same degree.

I will note in the defense of the authenticity of the coin, that even the reverse shows some lessening of the ware pattern in the same area as where the bust area is.

Now, I'm not saying this coin is counterfeit, because I'm completely unqualified to make this statement. But after someone pointing this out to me, I wouldn't buy this coin for $300+ dollars without a good slab.

Ruben

 

Not from what I've read. In fact in determining counterfeits of worn coins, the ware pattern is repeated on every counterfeit made by the same counterfeiter and it is very key to determining if the coin is fake or not. It's the first thing to look at.

Ruben

 

Actually I think this coin went for around $150 on Ebay. Just a little more than I thought it was worth. Of course just my opinion.

 

Mark:
Agreed, $150 is over the top.

And, I still think that it is kosher. (for Ruben.)

For everyone else: It looks real.

 

Ooops I was wrong it was a $104 - which is reasonable. I think it was up for sale when ryan posted the auction - but as a 1807 half. Dealer relisted and it went for 104.

Last auction.

 

I didn't buy it

 

There's talk that some series are going higher than book but what I think it is, is people are overgrading the coins and instead of biding according to actual grade, they bid according to a grade or two higher and end up overpaying based on the actual grade. :whistle:

I think that happened with this coin.

Ribbit

 

I didn't either, but came close. On the second auction - I did not know it was a relist or I would not have bid since I thought Ryan was bidding.

 

Which auctions are you talking about because the original post saying nothing about an auction.

Ruben

 

I know Ryan was asking about the coin in the original post - which was an auction, which I knew. That one was cancelled and it was re-listed - I did not know and Ryan pointed it out before I bid. See page 2 on the posts and my last post on the page. I posted the link.

 

I don't see anywhere he mentioned it being in an auction in this thread, but I'll take your word for it.

Ruben

 

OOOPs - Ruben it was mentioned in an Email from Ryan. My apologies - and I posted a link to the second auction. Sorry for the confusion.

 

I still would say it is counterfeit. Just compare photos and take close notice of the extreme differences in this counterfeit and a genuine piece.

 

When comparing the B-1 pictures they are extremely close , as to differences could be caused by wear , I think it's legit .
rzage

 

Okay Okay everyone, this is what happened.

I saw a very nice 1807 Quarter on eBay, but the seller listed it as a half dollar. I was going to get it, becuase the quarter is worth more than the half dollar, so everyone bidding on it thought it was so. The first time around it went for $116, which my bid was $113. So I lost.

I then e-mailed the buyer, noting him that it wasn't a half, but a quarter dollar. The buyer told the seller, and he refused to pay for it. So then the seller simply re listed it a month later, when Mark e-mailed me and sent me the new link. I let him bid on it, since he was the one who found it the second time first.

And that's the story folks!

 

Counterfeit!