A Poor Man's Cleopatra

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Gary R. Wilson, May 27, 2020.

  1. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    Hello all, I just purchased my first Greek coin,an Æ 40 Drachmai . My main collecting interest is Roman Imperial and Imperatorial but I've always wanted a Cleopatra portrait coin. Of course she connects with the Imperatorial period. It is low grade but it is Cleopatra. Good enough for me. The price corresponds with the grade. Please post your Cleopatra or what you feel appropriate.

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    Cleopatra PTOLEMAIC KINGS of EGYPT 51-30 BC
    State, City: Egypt, Alexandreia
    Coin: F Bronze Æ Obol - 40 Drachmae
    ΝΟΝΕ - Diademed and draped bust right.
    ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΡΑC ΒΑCΙΛΙCCΗC - Eagle standing left on thunderbolt; cornucopia to left, M to right.
    Mint: Alexandreia (41-40 BC)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 7.99g / 20mm / 12h
    References:
    Svoronos 1872
    SNG Copenhagen 422-4
    Weiser 184
    Provenances:
    Andre Cichos
    Acquisition/Sale: Münzhandlung André Cichos MA-Shops $0.00 05/20
    Notes: May 27, 20 - The Gary R. Wilson Collection.
     
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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice addition to your collection. I want a Cleopatra as well but hopefully one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
     
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  4. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    Agree. This coin was reasonable in price. I've been pricing Cleos for a while. Crazy pricing.
     
  5. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    Your coin has more detail on it compared to the one I have. I always think of it as the mummified remains of Cleopatra :D:D

    Cleopatra VII 40 Drachmae Obv.jpg

    Cleopatra VII 40 Drachmae Rev.jpg
     
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  6. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    LOL! I read recently that the tombs of Cleopatra and Antony could be found soon. Archaeologists think they know the general proximity of the tombs.
     
  7. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    Well, then I would have an excellent 'Recent' portrait of Cleo....hahahaha.
     
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  8. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    My Cleopatra denarius wasn't cheap but I wanted one with her full name visible and a pair of nice portraits:

    Cleopatra.jpg
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very, very nice, @AncientJoe . Thanks for posting!
     
  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    One of my dream coins. Very nice.
     
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  11. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    It looks expensive. Nice.
     
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  12. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    WOW....not cheap he says!!! That's worth my entire coin collection:p
     
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  13. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    It is really hard to locate an example with even minimal detail that doesn't cost big bucks. It seems that these coins, the 80 and 40 drachmae, were on the whole poorly struck and circulated widely.

    Also, based on my experience, they're prone to having bronze disease, possibly due the humid Mediterranean climate and the soil they were buried in.

    This is the best example that I have, an 80 drachmae weighing 17.4 grams.

    It grades about fine and has a certificate from David Sear.

    D-Camera Egypt, Cleopatra VII, 80 drachmea, 17.4 grams  5-27-20.jpg
     
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  14. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

  15. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Has anyone else noticed that the 80 drachmae seems to have two portrait styles, one that is rather flat and crude, and the other higher relief and of better style?
     
  16. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

  17. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    The stuff of William Shakespeare!

    That's a stunning example.
     
  18. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Cleo & Tony:

    Phil (170).JPG

    Phil Davis
     
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  19. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  20. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Congrats on the purchase, @Gary R. Wilson. It took a good bit of looking and waiting before one with my name on it and in my budget range came up.

    Cleopatra VII - AE 80 Drachmai 2911.jpg PTOLEMAIC KINGDOM OF EGYPT. Kleopatra VII Thea Neotera
    AE Diobol - 80 Drachmai. 18.02g, 27mm. EGYPT, Alexandreia mint, circa 51-30 BC. Svoronos 1871; SNG Copenhagen 419–21. O: Diademed and draped bust right. R: BACIΛICCHC KΛEOΠATPAC, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt; cornucopia to left, Π (mark of value) to right.
    Reportedly ex UCLA Classics Library Collection
     
  21. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    I understand. Same for me. All of the high prices on all the Cleos was discouraging but patience prevailed for both of us.
     
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