To CAC or not to CAC - official game thread

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ddddd, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    CAC is getting less respect from me the more this thread progresses. I really have a hard time with the bean on the Franklin half. Maybe part of it is due to the fact that I don't normally collect Franklin halves. Also, way back in this thread I submitted an 1851 half cent that got a green bean; nobody thought that it should have one. Now, regarding the Barber half, I like the coin and think it is a sold 64 so I'd give it a green bean. So who cares what CAC thinks!!!!
     
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  3. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I say yes to the green bean
     
  4. Derek2200

    Derek2200 Well-Known Member

    I like it - green bean on 1902 25c
     
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  5. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I'm guessing CAC didn't like the cheek, no bean.
     
  6. Derek2200

    Derek2200 Well-Known Member

    Well possibly so - it could be the dark area near the eye.
     
  7. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    I am going to guess that this did not get the bean - it looks like there are some little pock marks on the neck.
     
  8. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    This one is hard, Larry.

    I'm thinking no bean on this one for two reasons: first, as some have mentioned, the scratches on the cheek. These scratches don't belong on a 64, and certainly not a premium 64.

    Second, the splotchiness of the toning on the reverse seems odd.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    This is a great example of how hard it is to grade proofs from images. Click on the slab image. You will see even more scratches that didn't show in the other images.
    It's a pretty coin with nice mirrors but not enough to get the bean.
    008338.jpg
     
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  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

    Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

    Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

    Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

    Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

    Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

    Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

    Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

    Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

    Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

    Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

    Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

    Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

    Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

    Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

    Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

    Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

    Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

    Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

    Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

    Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

    Rd. 40: 1881-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 7 (3 Green and 4 Gold) vs No: 0

    Rd. 41: 1940 PR 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

    Rd. 42: 1824 AU 50 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 43: 1937 Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

    Rd. 44: 1903 PR 63 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 1

    Rd. 45: 1857 MS 64 CAC 10c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 6

    Rd. 46: 1828 MS 62 CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

    Rd. 47: 1958 MS 67 FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 9

    Rd. 48: 1902 PR 64 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

    Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 16
    Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 12
    Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
    Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 4
    Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
    Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 8
    Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 2
    Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
    Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


    Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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    Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
    Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold
     
  11. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Floor is open...
     
  12. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    1832 half cent graded AU58 by PCGS. How say you? Bean or not?

    56AAFAA0-DC4C-4775-93EC-EDE3B2B00614.jpeg CB245A1C-9F96-41DD-A4AA-2E61BE1F59AB.jpeg
     
  13. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    The spotting makes me think NO sticker
     
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  14. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

  15. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

  16. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    No bean because of the dark spots.
     
  17. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    The 1832 half cent is a tough one (given my track record they all are). Ignoring the spots, this coin still has good luster. In fact, it looks MS to me. I'd go as far as giving it a gold bean considering my 1851 HC got a green one. Of course I'm probably wrong but I'm just an old baked bean anyway.
     
  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll go with yes on the bean.
    I don't really know how CAC looks at spots. I do know that spots on copper seem to smile for the camera. Many times the color and contrast are different than what the eyes see in hand.
     
  19. Derek2200

    Derek2200 Well-Known Member

    No bean 1832 half cent. Don’t like the spots but just reflection my taste who knows they may like it.
     
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  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I am confused, I thought the circulated grades were based exclusively upon level of wear. Spots like that won’t change the fact that the remaining details and luster are of AU58 level unless the spotting is severe enough to make the coin a problem coin for environmental damage.

    Keep in mind, I’m asking here, not stating, I don’t collect any series in the circulated grades.
     
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  21. GoldBug999

    GoldBug999 Well-Known Member

    I don't like the spots either, but I think this got a sticker.
     
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