I think i found a 87-p clad layer missing both sides

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  1. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    Found this whilst going through numerous rolls from the bank, it has a somewhat even copperish color, a scratch both front and back, but i believe it is a no-clad variety..what do you guys think? thumbnail.jpg thumbnail.jpg thumbnail.jpg thumbnail.jpg thumbnail.jpg
     
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  3. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    btw, it looks more coppery in hand than in the pictures...the edge reeding is precise and coppery as well
     
  4. A lot of circulated coins take on the coppery hue from contact with dirt or a liquid. Coke can cause it, for one. Take a q-tip and use cleaner to scrub the rim close to the reeding. If it buffs up shiny copper you have a keeper. If it brings up shiny nickel you have, well, a coin worth 10 cents.
     
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  5. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Environmental damage from being in the ground. Coins stuck without the plating will show more mint shine and better defined devices. @paddyman98 has posted so many photos of environmentally damaged coins he has found while metal detecting, that you will go blind looking at all of them.
     
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  6. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    What does it weigh?
     
  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Sorry but no..
    Your Dime is Environmental Toning damage to the Cupro-Nickel clad on both sides.

    Here are many examples of what long term exposure to the elements does to clad.
    From my many years of Metal Detecting -
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    Same thing happens to Cupro-Nickel Nickels :yack:
     
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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    A missing clad layer error usually happens just in one side, any side, of a clad coin.
    Here are examples from my collection -
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    The other sides of each coin looks perfectly normal.
     
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  9. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    i saw his..this one has a very coppery color, albeit worn from circulation..definately not a buried coin imo, and the weight is:2.3 grams..
     
  10. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    2.3 grams
     
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  11. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    and also a cleaned coin..not going to risk that..sorry
     
  12. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    so, is it totally impossible for a coin to be missing both sides of cladding??
     
  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Yes.. Definitely is.
     
  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    It is possible and very rare.
    Your Dime is not a rare missing both clad layers.
    Did you even look at the pictures I provided?
     
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  15. I'm not saying destroy the coin. Just a very small area of the rim. You can twirl the q-tip at a 45% angle bearing down mostly on the reeding. You shouldn't extend even half way across the rim. You can very carefully use a needle to scratch between the reeds. After doing this to dozens of suspect double sided circulated coins, I haven't found a single winner. I have, however seen thin circulated clad coins that had a layer come off. The details will be blurred and the coin underweight, but it is still PMD. I agree with paddyman98, he's shown ample evidence.
     
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  16. I don't hunt other coin denominations but a lot of dirty and corroded nickels show up at eBay as 'Improperly annealed planchet' coins. (PS I LOVE your sig, Paddyman98!)
     
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  17. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    yes, i did, sorry, you may be right on this one..but it is underweight, and my pictures really do not impart the true color of the coin, will try better pics thumbnail.jpg thumbnail.jpg
     
  18. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    All coins have a certain weight they should be.
    Sometimes there is a plus or minus varience in weight for all denominations that are within tolerance. So the difference in weight factor cannot be applied here.
     
  19. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    also note on the coin reverse, where it says "dime" it is a weak impression...thanks for the help..it is not worth sending in, i would hate to pay60.00 for grading and find out is environmental or acid or something else..this one does not look like it was a buried coin though too clean
     
  20. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That could also be explained. A worn die strike. There are times when a Die is overused and compacted grease get into the die not allowing certain letters to form properly.
     
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  21. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    well, the overall consensus is that it is just junk, i wil lstill save it and place a question mark on it for later study, i though with the weigh being under by .3 grams would make it the un cladified one but i guess i am mistaken, thanks for the help guys...
     
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