WHY??? - Why did the Byzantines make cup-shaped "coins"?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Curio Bill, Oct 31, 2008.

  1. Curio Bill

    Curio Bill Junior Member

    WHY??? - Why did the Byzantines make cup-shaped "coins"?
    I just purchased Mr. Sayles' Byzantine Coin book & even HE doesn't know why they did it!! Any quasi-reasonable wild guesses??
    Thanks, Bill.
     
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  3. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    i dont collect them but after looking at some i dont think they seem very stackable
     
  5. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    maybe it was easier to pick them up since they were so thin :eek: i dont know sorry
     
  6. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I don't know why either but I do know the cup shape makes it difficult to photograph and get everything in focus.
     

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  7. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I'm a bit shaky on the chronology, but I believe what happened was that they issued a flat coin of a particular shape and fineness (solidus) and they wanted to issue new coins of a lower standard. But the solidus was a popular trade coin and was used internationally. So, they struck scyphate gold coins for their own territory. The real question is, why did this practice persist and spread to the other metals? Probably, as randygeki said, so as to make them stackable.
     
  8. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    I think it has to do with the minting technology at that time. I am not clear on how ancient coins were struck so I might not be the best person to comment about it.
     
  9. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I don't know much on ancients, but if I had to guess I'd say because of the thinness of the coin a cupped shape adds to it's surface area preventing splitting and bending over time. Or, they were used as really small beer mugs in pubs. I don't know.
    Guy~
     
  10. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    I dont think its the technology, the byzantines could strike and did strike coins the same as they had always been struck. That would be, in short, two etched dies, a planchet and a hammer. I would think cup coins were oversized planchets struck with a cup shaped die on one side. So the only difference is the shape of the die and size of image to planchet. My vote has always been the stackable explination, or some reasoning similar as the one expressed by Ardatirion.
     
  11. acanthite

    acanthite ALIIS DIVES

    Except in the case of the Byzantine AE's and AV's, I don't see other scyphate coins being particularily conducive to stacking.

    This is what George Hill has to say in Ancient Methods of Coining:

    "A curious development, found especially in decadent or barbarous coinages, is what is called the scyphate or cup-shaped fabric. The obverse, although its relief is not high, is strongly convex, the reverse strongly concave, so that the coin takes the shape of a small saucer. The object of this fabric may possibly have been to fix the blank firmly between the dies in striking. It is characteristic of certain barbarous Celtic coinages, of one group of coins of the Himyarite rulers of Soutehrn Arabia in the first centruy after Christ, and of the later Byzantine coinages, as well as of the some Balkan coinages under Byzantine influence."

    This is my only example of what he refers to directly -

    Himyarties (Arabia Felix)
    1/2 denarius AR
    50-150 AD
    Amdan Bayyin Yanaf
    Raidan mint

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