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Nice looking 1820 dime but I'll say no to the sticker; too much rub on the cap. I would put it in the C category.

 

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I really like the look of the coin but no bean.

 

I find the black streaks too distracting, so no bean.

 

Before the reveal I'm changing my mind to YES for the Green bean. I just like the look of the coin.

 

I got a feeling too that it beaned.
(Still count me as a "no" though for the vote.)

 

I say no sticker on 1820 PCGS 58 10c.

 

Lots of distractions on the dime, though it is interesting. No bean.

 

This is tough because it is difficult to distinguish between weak strike and wear without being able to rotate it in hand to assess the luster better. Given the cap, there is obviously a strike issue, but I'm not convinced that everything I'm seeing is due to strike. Without knowing the die marriage, my initial reaction was AU55.

I'll go no bean but could wouldn't be surprised with a different result.

 

I sent this in in July 2015 and it received a Green Bean. There is some hint in the photo of some under-lying luster which, IMO, gave it the 58 from PCGS. Obviously, hard to see in a photo.

jom

 

It's interesting that most said no but it got a green bean. It reminded me of my green beaned AU58+ 1851 half cent that nobody thought should get a bean. I wonder if most green beaned AU58 coins would get the same results in this thread. Is it the pictures?

 

Photos can certainly have something to do with it. Luster and, many times, eye appeal might not show in a photo. Marks and strike can mostly be communicated though. It's hard to judge when you only have half of the picture...so to speak.

jom

 

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 11
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 10
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 1
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 4
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 7
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 1
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

Interesting the 1820 10c beaned when most (70 pct) said no. It comes down to taste of the individual examining the coin in my view. If they don’t like it they will not be buying it sticker or not. The dark streaks just make it a no go for me. It appears to the the one that went for $1440 at Heritage in April 2019 (large O variety).

When bidding on stickered coins I try to ignore the sticker and go with my gut - ask myself if the coin is PQ or solid quality enough I can retail it easily. I pass on on ones that may be a tough sell.

 

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Meanwhile let's go with this formerly NGC MS 65 Morgan. Why formerly? It's no longer a 65. Please opine on sticker status in regards to the 65 grade though (as that is where I know the answer).

 

So is this a trap coin? If it's no longer a 65 then it's probably a 66 since there's no way it would drop to a 64. The logical conclusion is that it had a gold bean but since I think you're trying to mess with our brains I'll say it had a green bean. Well, others brains. Mine turned to stone a while back.

 

Am I trying to mess with you all?
Maybe...

 

But if it was a 65 with a green bean, why would you mess with it? So it had a gold sticker and was regraded to 66 where it got another greenie.

That’s all probably too logical.

 

I'm not logical. I also don't get no respect, no respect at all!

 

I'll go with green at 65 or 66.

 

I got you