MS-63 Japan Yen, slab not real?

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  1. xCoin-Hoarder'92x

    xCoin-Hoarder'92x Storm Tracker

    I've heard there are occasionally phony slabs that are not legit. This coin should be somewhere around maybe low end XF range, not even AU. Surface is very dark.

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    Every time I look for one of these pieces some rather questionable listings come up in search. I'll have to buy one from an experienced local coin dealer some day.
     
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  3. ewomack

    ewomack 魚の下着

    I can't speak to the authenticity of the coin or the slab, but that one looks nothing like other MS 63 examples that I've seen.

    For comparison, here are 2 NGC examples that I have - the first is MS 64 and the second is MS 61 (I even paid less for this one than the price listed above). I also have 2 other NGC AU 58s that have far more luster and detail than the one shown above. Hm. Ebay can be a mine field.

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  4. cobstreasure

    cobstreasure New Member

    lately, I have seen that many coins have been overgraded. that's why you should always buy the coin and not the holder. I have several AU58s that look way better than a 62.
     
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  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Can you look up the serial number on PCGS website?
    Either way, if it was legit, I don't think the coin looks that great.
     
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  6. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Yes, that slab is counterfeit, and an obvious one at that.

    Here is the authentic coin/slab combo that bears that serial number:

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  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yup, that definitely appears to be a fake, as T$ identified.

    This seems like good info for @TypeCoin971793 and @Jack D. Young , the experts on fake slabs.
     
  8. xCoin-Hoarder'92x

    xCoin-Hoarder'92x Storm Tracker

    Thanks for all the input. And I shouldn't be surprised considering the seller is Chinese.
     
  9. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Here are the photos from the auction for all to see, as I'm sure eBay will pull this listing soon.
    @TypeCoin971793, I'm sure you'd like to use these for your thread.

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  10. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    In all honesty, if you are indeed looking for a Japanese 1 Yen coin, I'd recommend avoiding eBay or just about any other eCommerce site since there are plenty of crude fakes floating around. If I were you and were in the market for this particular coin type, I'd suggest waiting for a larger coin show or buy one from a reputable dealer such as Vcoins or an auction site such as Heritage.
     
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  11. xCoin-Hoarder'92x

    xCoin-Hoarder'92x Storm Tracker

    I'm actually convinced there are more fake Yen crowns than Morgan Dollars around online. It's not difficult to find legit American silver there.
     
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  12. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That is your first clue that it is a fake slab. As much flack as I give the TPGs, they will NEVER get a grade 20 points wrong. If the slab is genuine, it can be honestly written off as a mechanical error.

    I have seen 10 points off in genuine slabs though.

    The gold shield PCGS slabs will always have a picture, fortunately. That confirms the inauthenticity of this piece
     
  13. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That said, the slab is a pretty goos fake. The font is completely wrong though
     
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  14. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    I can't really tell with the cruddy images provided, but the edges of the plastic holder in question don't look like those of an actual PCGS slab, either.

    And then the final clue: Screen Shot 2020-05-10 at 6.52.13 PM.png

    While "delivery from China" isn't always tantamount to a scam, whenever I see this in a listing, I move on. I'm sure I've missed out on some good coins and deals by doing this, but that's what I do...
     
  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    You have to closely analyze and check every single item, but I've definitely ordered items from China and Russia and received beautiful, original items. You just to have every warning bell strung and every alarm ready.
     
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  16. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Another bad seller- have had similar listings pulled from another Chinese seller. Even the 1st Mexico 8R I looked at was bad. I saved some images and reported the whole mess.
     
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  17. NPCoin

    NPCoin Resident Imbecile

    The Shield on that fake slab is as dull as the (probably fake) coin that resides in it.
     
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    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

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  20. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I reviewed them and reported them to be removed.
     
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