Grade opinion of colorful proof

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  1. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    Do you want the 78 Ike you can have it just break it open:computer: and it;s yours i don;t care take it i have three more. i live in the upper hundson valley . I should be a post above you.

    Jazzcoins Joe :whistle:
     
    jazzcoins, Oct 30, 2008
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I would not have said cameo, I do agree with the 67. Gorgeous coin by the way.
     
    GDJMSP, Oct 30, 2008
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  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Does NGC still grade and slab sets like that?

    Ruben
     
    mrbrklyn, Oct 30, 2008
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  5. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    Yeah I want to know that to.
     
    FreakyGarrettC, Oct 30, 2008
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  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Clue me in on this. The Hair is washed and so is the Wood stand on the reverse so why such a high PF rating?

    Ruben
     
    mrbrklyn, Oct 30, 2008
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  7. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    I would think the toning raised it up a step or two.
    Jazzcoins Joe:D
     
    jazzcoins, Oct 30, 2008
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes they do.



    For a Proof 67 is not high, more like medium. And I have no idea what you mean by saying the hair is washed.
     
    GDJMSP, Oct 30, 2008
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  9. jazzcoins

    jazzcoins New Member

    Maybe he means he looks like he washed his hair right GD, because I have no idea what that means either.:confused:

    Jazzcoins Joe:whistle:
     
    jazzcoins, Oct 30, 2008
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  10. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    He has no Danduf

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    This is much better hair with more detail
     
    mrbrklyn, Oct 30, 2008
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  11. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

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    or this one
     
    mrbrklyn, Oct 30, 2008
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  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    or this one
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    mrbrklyn, Oct 30, 2008
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK, I agree. Those 2 coins have better hair detail, they are better struck. They would also probably grade PF67. Why ? Because they don;t have the eye appeal the other coin does.
     
    GDJMSP, Oct 30, 2008
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  14. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Me either , we're probably just getting old .
    rzage:cool:
     
    rzage, Oct 30, 2008
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  15. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    You ask, so I was just showing example. For me when I look at a Fraklin, the first thing I look at is the strike because they had problems striking this coin.

    I nery ever got a remote handle on how to grade these things. But you think the other coin has more eye appeal than the deep cameo?

    Ruben
     
    mrbrklyn, Oct 30, 2008
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  16. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I mean washed out like an over exposed photograph.

    Ruben
     
    mrbrklyn, Oct 30, 2008
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  17. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    The proof nickels from the 1950s didn't tend to tone. In the 1960s, by contrast, wild toning is fairly common, especially solid-color, neon-type toning.

    By the way, that's an awesome set. edited - hopefully that was a joke, but all may not take it that way
     
    borgovan, Oct 30, 2008
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes, because the cameo coin has all that clutter in the fields that is common to some Proof coins.

    This is where a lot of people get confused with grading. They forget that all of the criteria have a bearing on the grade. So while a coin a better strike may grade the same or worse than a coin with a lesser strike it is because of the other criteria. You have marks, luster, hairlines, eye appeal and quality of strike to consider.

    So if all things are equal but strike then the coin with the better strike will get the higher grade. But of all things are not equal, then it may not.
     
    GDJMSP, Oct 30, 2008
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  19. zekeguzz

    zekeguzz lmc freak


    I could not break up the set just for the ike, I'll buy the whole set from you if you want. Is that okay? zg How can I email you?
     
    zekeguzz, Oct 31, 2008
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  20. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    When you say clutter , do you mean the haze in the fields mostly on the left .
    rzage:)
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    rzage, Oct 31, 2008
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  21. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    http://www.coinfacts.com/half_dollars/franklin_half_dollars/1960_half_dollar.htm


    I believe that coin is one of these

    Significant examples:
    PCGS MS-66 Full Bell Lines. Ex - Bowers & Merena Galleries' "The Cabinet of Lucien M. LaRiviere, Part II", March 15-17, 2001, Lot 1831, unsold

    PCGS MS-66 Full Bell Lines. Ex - Bowers & Merena Galleries' "The Rarities Sale", January 3, 2001, Lot 253, illustrated, sold for $3,450.00 From the Great Lakes Collection
     
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