Does this seem like a low price for this coin?

What he posted is actually correct but he seems not to understand that a slabbed coin is removed from the sulfide source, so no more toning.

 

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http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=42817#post447475
Excellent - I bookmarked it.

You did say in that thread that PSCG, in your observation, is more lenient today than in previous generations/years and that they more often bump up a grade? Is that generally true across the industry or just true of specific graders?

How about ANACS? I thought you said when I brought a coin in a very old ANACS slab that they graded much higher when they first started out. I think I remember reading elsewhere a similar thing because they went from the Technical Grading to a version of the Sheldon scale? Did I remember that correctly?

BTW - this would be great material for the library.

Ruben

 

I sort of agree. However, not all of that becomes practical. Just as a for-instance, aluminum is extremely reactive with oxygen, but very resistant to oxidation - because the oxide protects the base metal. Also, despite Doug's comments, I do not believe that all slabs are unsealed. I realize that the plastic is permeable to gases, but only negligibly so.

 

wow that thread was a lot to read. I think I'll take some Advil and go to bed now and hope tomorrow is better than today.

Night all.

 

Oh, I knew he was baiting me, but it almost became fun to see how many others I could get on his ignore list.

I still don't like that fact that he posts ridiculous statements without any proof or evidence. Most of his posts are condescending, arrogant, and most of all annoying. Most of my responses were for my own sanity and to protect the unaware from his fantasy. IMO, you should really send him a PM, because I think I speak for a whole group of members that are tired of his posts.

I like this forum because it is friendly and informative. If he continues to post in the manner that he does, I will probably spend more of my time in one of the other forums that is more experienced with the same level of hostility. If anyone would like to invite Ruben to the NGC board, I assure that they would enjoy eating him alive. I wouldn't dare invite him to the PCGS board because Carol would kick him off as soon as he claimed that PCGS can't consistently grade a 70. However, it would be an extremely entertaining flame war for however long it lasted.

But per your request Doug, I will stop.

 

Lehigh,
Let me turn Ruben's proposal around and ask a question about it. My experience has always been that once you disturb the manufactured surfaces, corrosion proceeds at an accelerated pace (not talking coins here). Would that be the case for dipped coins and why or why not? Suppose I had 2 identical toned coins. Then I dipped one and stored them both in the identical non-ideal (not bad, but so that some toning/corrosion would occur) conditions. Given some prolonged time, which would have the most additional toning?

Were I guessing, I would say that the dipped coin would tone the fastest.

 

A fantastic question. I have to admit that I don't really know the science behind the toning rate for dipped coins. I will say that the oxide layer that forms on metals can form a protective barrier against corrosion. If the oxide layer is completely removed as it is with a dip, it would only make sense that the dipped coin would tone at a quicker rate initially than the undipped coin that already has an oxide layer on the surface. At what point this would even out would be a great topic to research.

 

I will add to hypothesis. I do not know this as a fact, but I am will to bet I am right. Any acid etching I am aware of does not occur uniformly. It pits the surface. I will grant you that dipping effects would have to be seen with an electron microscope, but I would guess that the pitting is still there. The pitting does 2 things to increase the corrosion. It increases the surface area. I bet you would be surprised how much extra surface area there would be mocroscopically that is. Secondly, those pits tend to hold the bad stuffs and corrode quicker in the bottom of the pits.

 

It was until you arrived here. Nothing you bring to this forum makes it worth the abuse that you spread.

It seems like in these other forums that you cling to, abuse is the currency they play with. Until now, that hadn't been the case here.

We can only hope. So far, I'm the only person you've abused to tweak you back. Most others just stay clear of you. And your so predictable, it is actually funny to see you argue against blank posts...

The whole exercise should be a heads up to you. Ticking people off here with your abrupt rudeness like in this post where declare that winning some kind of awards gives you a right to be abusive

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?p=444838#post444838

Or this little exchange

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?p=443912#post443912

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?p=443514#post443514

and this one - this is the one is put you into the ignore box for

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?p=443513#post443513

this one

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?p=438698#post438698

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?p=437743#post437743

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?p=437023#post437023

and there have been even more terse interactions that you've had with member.

But you know, what really makes you special is that predictably, as soon as you found out that I was /dev/nulling your posts, you had to follow me around. I'm not a psychologist, I'm a Pharmacist and a Physical Chemist with a world of Programming experience, but I know if my kids experienced that kind of behavior, it would cause some grave concerns about their development.

Yeah, I've seen forums like that. Tom Christiansen pretty much alienated so many people that Python took root. I've seen RMS's friends behave like that, and certain elements of the LISP community and the BSD guys.

You topped them all though. I had never seen anyone so insecure that they felt it necessary to whip out their PhD and post it. Then again, I'm surrounded by Doctors, PhD's and Master Degree holders all the time. There is never any urgent need.

You really need to reassess your approach to people. Learn something from Doug.

You haven't yet but we all hold out hope.


Ruben

 

So let me get this straight, you have an engineering degree in material sciences and a specialty in corrosion? I suppose that that makes you an expert on this.

 

Wow! Your degree actually says what field it is in...that's pretty sweet. Sometimes I think I went to the only university where they omit that tiny detail on them. :rolling:

 

Ruben,

Have you even read the things that you post. The majority of the cointalk members have agreed with me during your tirade and most of them think that I contribute in a positive way in the forum (eg TOTW).

Your incessant and belligerent pounding of issues borders on lunacy. You say that I immediately followed you around once you blocked me. The only problem with that theory is that you blocked me on one thread and then immediately started another thread that discussed the exact same topic in an attempt to prove your point by eliminating my dissenting opinion. I did not think that was fair, so I chimed in.

You think it is childish to post my degree in response to your pompous post about others needing backgrounds that include linear algebra, differential equations, and calculus. You say that you are surrounded by PHD's all day but treat the members of this forum as if they were children and actually have called them children on occasion. I think it is childish to research all of my posts to find examples of disagreements I have had with other members of the forum. Ruben, If I did that to you, the post would be a few pages long.

You blame me for insulting others on a regular basis. I have re-read the thread that you blocked me an still don't understand why I was blocked. I had an opinion that was contrary to yours, plain & simple.

The only point that you have made in this post that I agree with is that I may be more pre-disposed to flame wars and less sensitive to others feelings because of the atmosphere of the other coin forums to which I subscribe.

I have only been posting here for 4 months, and the first 3 were a real pleasure until you started posting again. I know that my posts are insightful and informative despite your opinion. I will continue to post here as long as others continue to show interest in my threads. I will expect that any member who thinks I get out of line will tell me just like Leadfoot did once. You should consider unblocking me permanently. You could learn a lot about coins if you did.

Lastly, I feel no reason to change my approach towards others when you are the only one who has real problem with me.

 

IMHO, the only bullying I've seen is posted by MRBRKLYN.
He is like a cancer to this board. If I want to learn I listen to lehigh and others.
If I want to read arrogant, self absorbed, blithering crap I'll read mrbrklyn posts.
It will be a shame if posters like lehigh and others get tired of this crap and leave. This board will be the poorer for it.
I think mrbrklyn just likes to hear himself talk. He's so impressed with his immense knowledge on how the world works he gets sucked into his own self created black hole. I dont know how someone so important has the time to post so much crap here. I know I dont. Ruben you should have become a lawyer, you sure like to talk a lot.
I havent been here long, but if he continues his dominating every single thread with overbearing post after post I think we will see an exodus of regular folk leaving.
Maybe the site should be renamed rubentalk instead of cointalk.

 

Ruben seriously,why don't you like toned coins? now we no its really not rust. I'm just trying to keep the peace here.encil: Please answer my question in an intelligent way ,and i know you can, just curious.

Jazzcoins Joe:whistle: Have a nice day Ruben

 

I'd believe it more if he had his last name. It always seems that the most aggressive individuals continually hide their identities from the public.

Ruben

 

Ruben,

I am not a fan of people on the internet knowing my last name. I think that is pretty common. There are many, many bad people lurking.

Besides, nobody here knew my last name, so why would omitting it matter?

 

Hang around my friend you brighten up my day when you post your beautiful gems so don't go anywhere.


Jazzcoins Joe:whistle::whistle: