Does this seem like a low price for this coin?

Well first of all i want to say that toned coins are great coins, to collect. I feel every toned coin is unique in it's own way , I think there very interesting ,and beautiful , a natural work of art if there authetic that is.


I do not want to cause a conflict here amoungest our fellow peers, and I'm not trying to question your expertise in this area of collecting. I do think that Ruben makes a good point here, could it be very possible that air or oxidation can get into the slab and cause this coin from toning?


Where's the proof in the pudding that this can not occur i would like more information on this ,and I didn't make a finale conclusion about this topic.

Jazzcoins Joe:whistle:

 

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Well, if I wanted to see natural rust I could either drive across the Williamsburg Bridge or view the natural Iron veins in the Palisades.

But for coins, hey, rust is rust....

Ruben

 

See, that is not an opinion. That is way, way, way over the line.

This seller has over 9000 sales with a 100% feedback rating and he sells very high grade rainbow toned coins. He currently has 6 NGC Star coins with completely different toning patterns. I would be proud to own anyone of this sellers offerings.

This is a cowardly attempt to get someone else to do Ruben's dirty work. Ruben, if you think his coins are bogus, then be a man and tell him yourself. I would love to hear the seller's response.

 

surely both those coins by that seller had similar rust. It was artificial corrosion all the way...


Ruben

 

Joe,

A coin that is slabbed has no direct toning source. If the coin is stored improperly in an atmosphere rich in hydrogen sulfide gas, then yes the slabbed coin could develop toning. The toning would probably be yellow or gold in color and would probably be evenly distributed across the coins surface. There are many sources of hydrogen sulfide gas. For more information about how coins tone and the effect of hydrogen sulfide gas on slabbed coins, I suggest that you read Weimar White's "COIN CHEMISTRY"

There is a section specifically dedicated to this topic. FWIW, the author leans very much towards Ruben's view of toning and even discusses how to remove the damage (toning) using dips. I found the information in the book useful, but I do not think that his opinion is consistent with that of the entire numismatic community.

 

Again, this is not presented as an opinion. If you want people to take you seriously then you need to use proper terminology. The term rust only applies to ferrous alloys, and you have no proof that the toning on those coins was artificial. The coins I have seen by this seller are classic examples of bag toning and album toning. If you make an accusation, you need to provide reasons to support your position. Somebody ask Ruben, why he thinks the toning is artificial?

 

Wrong Again Ruben

 

actually, I see it on the Statue of Liberty every day....

Ruben

 

WoW- the bickering between Ruben and Lehigh has been entertaining, but I think Lehigh is right, this borders on slander.
And when it comes to Toning I'll take Lehigh's opinion.
Ruben with all due respect, I think you have to take it down a notch, I dont know who died and put you in charge.

 

I'm not bickering with him. He's being ignored completely. As for the rust, it is rust. Lehigh, whatever his real name is, is talking to a wall, like in that movie done by Bruce Willis where he is actually dead through the whole movie.

With all due respect, your last comment is outrageous, and borders on a violation of forum rules. I've never claimed to be in charge, to discipline anyone, to run around claiming to be an expert and therefor to be allowed to abuse anyone, or to moderate anyones behavior.

You too can now enjoy the ignore feature.

Ruben

 

Definition of "rust"

Now, Ikes do not have hydrated ferric oxides on them (at least normally), but they do have various metallic coatings, especially oxides, formed by corrosion.

I do not really agree with Ruben's use of the word rust nor his description of its affects, but he is technically correct.

 

Oh wow! I just found a new game. How many members of this forum can I get on Ruben's ignore list. This is going to be fun.

Sorry 50 Cent, you have joined me in the penalty box for doing nothing more than expressing your opinion which is contradictory to Ruben's. But how about the nerve of him to call you outrageous and in violation of rules while he slanders innocent E-Bay sellers in public.

 

Consider yourself amongst the elite, 50 CENT. I believe that I am there also, but he will not bother to tell me. At this rate, he will be talking to himself soon.

 

< You too can now enjoy the ignore feature.>

Sweet!

I think the forum would be better served if everybody put you on ignore, with your ridiculous statements and pompous attitude.
Dont you have a UFO forum to visit?
LoL

 

Here is an example of a similar coin without rust or corrosion and instead with a proof like finish.

Here is the reverse.

 

Here is one with corrosion (toning) and a semi-proof like finish.

 

Ruben, we will have to agree to disagree. I find that toning can add a lot to eye appeal and I have been known to pay a premium for it.

 

eh - they're long term liabilities. None should get a grade over 63. It's damage to the metal.

Ruben

 

Well you should enjoy what you buy. Its good money to spend and you should be confident and enjoy what you purchase.

But you should realize that toning is inherently unstable and over time changes until it reaches the end of the chemical process. Its an issue of kinetics, not thermal dynamics.

Then again, diamonds are also inherently unstable.

Ruben

 

Ruben,
Put down the crack pipe, and give it a rest, please...